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jeanlain

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Resizing wise it's the same. In Windows you resize first and then it redraws content. You can see it doing so. But it hides the process cleverly. OS X attempts to keep almost everything drawn and scaled in real time, which is more demanding on the system. Hence the noticeable lags.
You mean the window content doesn't change until you release the mouse button?
Appkit sends a -drawRect message to a view each time its frame change. But you can query the parent window to see if it is being resized, and act accordingly in your implementation of -drawRect. You can decide to draw less precisely for instance.
 

jeanlain

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Agreed. i am running Windows 10 exclusively on my rMBP 15 . Not a single issue.
Honestly I am starting to dislike OS X with its slow animations.
What animations are slow specifically? It seems that with 10.11 Apple has changed the timings so that animations are faster (namely the enter fullscreen animation).
 

fieldsphotos

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Windows still has that tendency to frustrate me. I rarely have that with OS X. I absolutely detest the search function (which often tries to sneak Cortana back in) and the crowded and completely uncustomisable app list in the start menu. Don't even get me started about the settings that are scattered everywhere. Windows is still too oppressive, illogical and bureaucratic in everything it does. I just hate that. OS X with Homebrew is so much better.


FYI, you can totally customize the start menu and all those tiles. As a new Windows 10 user, this threw me off at first as well. I deleted all the default tiles off mine and added in things I actually use often. Its much more svelte now. My next step will be to re-organize the All Apps section now that I have all my programs installed. I really didn't like how it was set up.

The settings being everywhere is annoying tho. Why can't it all be in the Control Panel? Eh, I will find them all eventually and put them in one place again via shortcuts.
 

dark_knight177

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What animations are slow specifically? It seems that with 10.11 Apple has changed the timings so that animations are faster (namely the enter fullscreen animation).
They claimed that they made animations faster, but that's not so in real life. Just like they claimed iOS 9 makes my iPhone 6 Plus faster, it actually made it extremely slow to a point, where I have now completely switched to Nexus 6P, despite being Apple fan since 2008.

As to your question, try timing how long it takes for OS X to go to Split View, then do the same in Windows 10 with snap. The difference in speed is like night and day.
 
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You mean the window content doesn't change until you release the mouse button?
Appkit sends a -drawRect message to a view each time its frame change. But you can query the parent window to see if it is being resized, and act accordingly in your implementation of -drawRect. You can decide to draw less precisely for instance.
No the window content changes but OSX attempts to live scale every element element, whereas Windows refreshes the content rapidly to make it look live scaled (how both implement Split View is a good example). In real world usage there's no practical difference but if tech enthusiasts want to make speed comparisons then this is what they are seeing as the difference.

Minimising to Taskbar or Dock is another good example of how they handle it differently. OS X as always live scales the content. The animation is constant. Windows 10 fades the window content out and then minimises an empty faded window. It's a great trick to make the animation look very fast, but it's probably no faster than OSX.

Frankly I haven't been put off OSX's speed for many years because how a person 'perceives' the world around them can also have several personal factors behind it. An experienced fighter perceives his opponent's speed different to how a novice would. A meth user has a different perception of speed. Someone suffering from lethargy, low hormones, high blood pressure, angst, sexual arousement, or anger...all these conditions make us perceive our environment either slower or faster than someone else. You can also adapt to perceive things slower or faster than they really are just by changing your mindset. So the first thing I ask myself when someone in 2015 complains their GUI doesn't feel fast is 'Waddup with this person?'. It's a purely scientific remark.
 
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jeanlain

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I haven't installed yosemite, but from what I experienced on other Macs, 10.11 is noticeably smoother.
As for the split view animation, it's pretty instant here. Do you mean the time it takes for the window to fit the half-screen and the other windows to move once you release the button? Because it's as fast as it can be for me. If it was shorter the animation wouldn't be visible at all.
But it takes time for the OS to understand your intent, because it is the same button that is used to go fullscreen, so you need to hold it pressed for a while. I personally prefer how Windows handles split view, but it might be patented.
 

jeanlain

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No the window content changes but OSX attempts to live scale every element element, whereas Windows refreshes the content rapidly to make it look live scaled (how both implement Split View is a good example).
I'm not sure how split view illustrates that because it's clearly different from live resizing, and similar to the fullscreen animation. The window content is not redrawn continuously during the transition. There is a cross dissolve between the 2 window contents (original size and fullscreen size).
 

KALLT

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FYI, you can totally customize the start menu and all those tiles. As a new Windows 10 user, this threw me off at first as well. I deleted all the default tiles off mine and added in things I actually use often. Its much more svelte now. My next step will be to re-organize the All Apps section now that I have all my programs installed. I really didn't like how it was set up.

The settings being everywhere is annoying tho. Why can't it all be in the Control Panel? Eh, I will find them all eventually and put them in one place again via shortcuts.

You can add/remove tiles and you can add some predefined items to the lower-left part of the start menu (like a quick link to your downloads folder or the settings app). However, you can't customise anything else about it. The application list ("All apps") for instance is completely fixed, you can't add or remove applications or folders. Like Launchpad, it is completely determined by the system which applications are there. Contrary to Launchpad, this app list has both executables as well as folders. It looks really messy and inconvenient. You also can't customise the the upper part of the left side of the start menu either. It will either show most-used and recent/suggested apps, or nothing at all. What I really miss is a section where I can put my own shortcuts without having to add these clumsy tiles. I also don't like how the app list works in the first place, it is crammed into the left side of the start menu. This already annoyed me in Windows XP! Whenever I use the start menu I feel like I am not really in control of how my system works.

See the picture below, the parts in red can't be changed, the yellow can be swapped with predefined items and only the green part is fully customisable, but will require you to use these tiles. What I don't like about the tiles is that you can't use them for folders. The start menu doesn't have an equivalent for Dock stacks, for instance.

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fieldsphotos

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You can add/remove tiles and you can add some predefined items to the lower-left part of the start menu (like a quick link to your downloads folder or the settings app). However, you can't customise anything else about it. The application list ("All apps") for instance is completely fixed, you can't add or remove applications or folders. Like Launchpad, it is completely determined by the system which applications are there. Contrary to Launchpad, this app list has both executables as well as folders. It looks really messy and inconvenient. You also can't customise the the upper part of the left side of the start menu either. It will either show most-used and recent/suggested apps, or nothing at all. What I really miss is a section where I can put my own shortcuts without having to add these clumsy tiles. I also don't like how the app list works in the first place, it is crammed into the left side of the start menu. This already annoyed me in Windows XP! Whenever I use the start menu I feel like I am not really in control of how my system works.

See the picture below, the parts in red can't be changed, the yellow can be swapped with predefined items and only the green part is fully customisable, but will require you to use these tiles. What I don't like about the tiles is that you can't use them for folders. The start menu doesn't have an equivalent for Dock stacks, for instance.

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You can customize the all apps list via the folder structure in Windows the same way you customized prior start menus in Win 7 and earlier. Then you can delete the tiles all together if you don't like them. I haven't tried to stack tiles, the best you can do is group them by subject. I wasn't a power OSX user, I didn't know you could stack stuff on the dock.

http://www.howtogeek.com/225654/how...shortcuts-to-the-all-apps-list-on-windows-10/

Not sure about the "recently used" section, I haven't tried to mess with that yet.
 

KALLT

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You can customize the all apps list via the folder structure in Windows the same way you customized prior start menus in Win 7 and earlier. Then you can delete the tiles all together if you don't like them. I haven't tried to stack tiles, the best you can do is group them by subject. I wasn't a power OSX user, I didn't know you could stack stuff on the dock.

http://www.howtogeek.com/225654/how...shortcuts-to-the-all-apps-list-on-windows-10/

Not sure about the "recently used" section, I haven't tried to mess with that yet.

Has this actually worked for you? I've tried this before, but it didn't really work for me. Perhaps it's more stable now, I might have to check it out again. I chose to hide the recently-used section, but now it's just empty space. Anyway, I still don't understand why Windows doesn't do this natively with drag and drop or context actions. It's almost as bad as Gnome 3.

Stacks is a really powerful feature. You can drag folders (including smart folders), files, tags and aliases there. It's super convenient.
 

fieldsphotos

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Has this actually worked for you? I've tried this before, but it didn't really work for me. Perhaps it's more stable now, I might have to check it out again. I chose to hide the recently-used section, but now it's just empty space. Anyway, I still don't understand why Windows doesn't do this natively with drag and drop or context actions. It's almost as bad as Gnome 3.

Stacks is a really powerful feature. You can drag folders (including smart folders), files, tags and aliases there. It's super convenient.

I agree, it isn't easy to do. There are a lot of tweaks and other bits of stupidity. It SHOULD be something you can do via the right click menu or dragging.
 

stooovie

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Windows has a way of being a bit deceiving and misleading. It works in spurts and bursts. It's insanely fast one second and then halts to a grind a second later. And it gets gradually MUCH worse than OSX. This has been my experience with every install of Windows from 95 to 8.1. I have been a Windows guy and very apologetic about its shortcomings, but OSX won me over with its fluidity (albeit slower in raw speeds than Win) and stability.

OSX tends to chug along feeling not really as blazing fast, but the feeling is much more even and stable.
 
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