El Capitan's user ratings even worse than Yosemite.

Discussion in 'OS X El Capitan (10.11)' started by OldGuyTom, Oct 23, 2015.

  1. OldGuyTom macrumors regular

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    I just checked the App Store to see how El Capitan was doing:

    5 star ratings: 69
    1 star ratings: 115

    That's even worse than Yosemite.

    My personal experiences are bottlenecks and excessive resource consumption to the point that the system almost locks up. It would be nice if I was doing anything significant, but basic web browsing and checking e-mail doesn't cut it. The culprit for me appears to UserEventAgent.

    I found the following quote interesting:

    "Software developers and users have argued that Apple's yearly release schedule and development practices have compromised stability, and meant that no version of OS X is truly recommendable for users requiring reliability above new user interface design and features."

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X_Yosemite

    El Capitan functions like a beta release.
     
  2. Queen6 macrumors 603

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    Looking ever closer to a 3rd clean install; Safari & Preview both broke this afternoon. Am starting to wonder if it`s just this hardware (2014, 2.8Ghz, 512 SSD) as I upgraded one of my older mac`s (2011 15" high tier MBP) that my daughter now uses with no apparent issues, equally her usage is very different.

    Am just getting sick of it, there is absolutely no reason why this Mac should have had so many issues with 10.11, equally they persist, nor do they appear to be isolated cases. Frankly 10.10.5 is running better on my 1.2 rMB now than 10.11.1 on this 13" 2.8 rMBP, after my experiences with the 13" rMBP I am far from inclined to even consider upgrading a 100% zero issue Mac to 10.11

    I have owned Mac portables for 10 years and I have never seen an OS upgrade produce to many problems; Installer, Mail, Preview, AirDrop, Safari, Network specifically VPN`s and slow. Ironically where many struggled with 10.10 I have had zero issue across multiple Mac`s it`s like there is no longer any consistency from Apple. I upgraded the Early 2011 15" MBP to 10.11 as it was slow on 10.10.5 (spinner) and superficially it has none of the issues I have observed with the 13" rMPB, yet the 13" is a clean install...WHY

    Right now I am considering to move this Mac back to 10.9.5 or 10.10.5 both stable and well developed OS`s well for me at least. I am struggling with the premise of spending another day dealing with 10.11 and it`s problems. I have also seen just how well Windows 10 runs on very low level hardware, in many respects it puts OS X to shame, equally the OS has it`s own issues.

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  3. OldGuyTom thread starter macrumors regular

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    Apple's new quote should be: "It just doesn't work."
     
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  5. Queen6 macrumors 603

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    Definitely not for me on this 13" rMBP. When we are talking clean installations of the OS and still issues exist it can only be related to Apple and poor QC of the OS. I had hopped 10.11.1 would resolve, it did to some extents and appears to have created others. I require security & stability above all not this current beta mess...

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  6. Phil A. Moderator

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    I'm not trying to deny some people have had issues but I've got it on 4 machines (2 upgraded from the beta) and haven't had a single issue on any of them.
    For me, it's been a really solid release :)
     
  7. MacDawg macrumors P6

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    Smooth sailing here with nary an issue
    2013 rMBP
    2011 MBA
     
  8. Queen6 macrumors 603

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    I get that, I really do. Yet I simply fail to understand why even after a clean install why issues are occurring with Apple`s own applications on a system that previously ran 10.10.5 without any issue. It is beyond frustrating to say the very least.

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  9. ctg7w6 macrumors regular

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    I would not be so angry about this if it were something like a Windows release that must work on multiple platforms. However, one of the oft-cited advantages of Apple is that the hardware and software are in sync because Apple controls them both.

    Yet I have had more things break on my 2015 (!!!! not even old) MBA going to 10.11.1 than using Windows 10 on my gaming PC AND dual-booting on my MBA. Seriously, how can I have less issues with Windows 10 on my MBA than Mac OS. To me, that is inexcusable.
     
  10. Queen6 macrumors 603

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    Similar experience here with Windows 10, had to resurrect and old HP Notebook that is now pushing 7 years old, yet my 2014 rMBP steadfastly refuses to run 10.11.1 without some issue somewhere or other :confused:

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  11. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan macrumors 68040

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    It's bizarre how the world's richest corporation didn't have a good long beta period to make sure developers and users are happy. It's like they want to put out some crap desktop OS so that we all move to iOS devices instead.
     
  12. AppleB macrumors 6502

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    I've got a 2014 MBA and it runs fantastic on El Cap. No issues whatsoever.
     
  13. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan macrumors 68040

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    Unfortunately a single person's experience is called an anecdote. You need to take large samples or group experiences and then objectively see if the issues they face are true. For example, if thousands of musicians are angry their software and drivers no longer work that's a serious problem. If thousands more are angry that WinClone can no longer restore Bootcamp backups without disabling SIP, that's a messy issue. If Bootchamp no longer works for EFI installed Windows, that annoys people too.
     
  14. b0fh666 macrumors 6502a

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    only issue for me is that after some suspending and resuming it refuses to mount my external USB3 disk. reboot fixes that.

    but since I had none of the usual daily or every-2-daily KPs that plagued yosumfinky, im a happy camper.

    and no, no clean install... i've been upgrading this thing since lion - and at some point in mavericks i cloned it and put into another macbook... call that a 'fork' of sorts... :)
     
  15. Queen6 macrumors 603

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    I strongly suspect that marketing is prioritised resulting in the current short development cycle, and the ever greater burden on the engineering department. Personally I would be far happier if Apple simply released OS X when it`s ready in tandem with a longer development cycle, I am sure we as the end users would incur far less issue.

    Unfortunately I don't see this trend changing, for me my Mac`s are very productivity centric and much of the additional bells & whistles are of little interest and only serve to add needless complication. OS X has never been "fatter" and yet Apple release 10.11 with core issues, hence the very rapid release of .1

    I am still considering 10.11.1 however it`s becoming painfully obvious that it will remain to have issue, until Apple see fit to release an update, nor will they unless the affected user base is significant, equally aspects of the system not responding as expected or resulting a diminishment of functionality is not what I expect from a premium product.

    In short I expect far more...

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    In view of the months of bugs that get worked out with each major new release, one is almost tempted to upgrade in September just before the next major version; that way, at least one can be pretty sure of having a stable version before the cycle of bugs begins again.
     
  17. AppleB macrumors 6502

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    I run Logic Pro X on my MBA. Still no issues. This musician knows not to update until software is compatible. That's computer recording 101. My main rig is still Snow Leopard because it works.
    If those thousand musician don't know never upgrade your main rig in pre or mid project and don't upgrade until plugs and software are compatible that's on them.
    Computer Recording 102 never upgrade pre or mid project wait for downtime and even then wait for compatibility.




     
  18. Queen6 macrumors 603

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    A good friend of mine does exactly this, always remaining a full version of OS X behind, When I spoke about 10.11 he simply said "don't, to many changes in too short a time" he may well have point given the issue I have seen first hand with 10.11

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  19. mapleleafer macrumors regular

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    Dissatisfied customers are more apt to complain than satisfied customers are to praise.
     
  20. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan macrumors 68040

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    But wouldn't it help Apple and its users if they worked to get this working on day one of a system's release? There's no logical reason to have a very short beta period and then a system released that isn't ready to be used for many people yet. Microsoft did a much better longer beta test period with Windows 10.
     
  21. BeaconLite macrumors newbie

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    I strongly suspect El Capitan doesn't play well with Macs that have Fusion drives. I have given up on my iMac with a Fusion drive, but it works without problems on my late 2014 MBP. Go figure.
     
  22. sracer macrumors 603

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    That's a good thought. Unfortunately, app developers are too quick to upgrade their apps to require the latest version of OSX. My iMac shipped with Mavericks and I made sure that it sat out Yosemite... but eventually upgraded to El Cap. But during that time while I was still on Mavericks, there were quite a few apps that I couldn't install because they required Yosemite. Now that I'm on El Cap I can install them, but when the next version of OSX is released, I'll be in the same pickle.

    The only solution is for Apple to slow down the major releases of OSX.
     
  23. Hastings101 macrumors 68000

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    It's funny that I had all kinds of problems with Yosemite, but El Capitan runs perfectly. Kind of annoying that probably all the way back since Lion we haven't had an across the board solid release; especially considering the whole making the hardware and software thing. There's always something wrong, from weird bugs to memory hogging.
     
  24. ctg7w6 macrumors regular

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    I agree with this... I use my Mac for my productivity in academia. The main reason: It is very stable and "just works" when I need it to. Until recently.

    I love technology. I am very knowledgeable about computers (I build them, program, tweak my gaming PC, etc.)... But I buy some Apple products so that when I want to sit down and do academia, I don't have to mess around with the computer aspect. I use it to be productive.

    Originally I got an iPad and iPhone to supplement my Mac to increase productivity through continuity across devices. At a very basic level, this works. I have programs across all three platforms that are in sync. I can get texts and phone calls on all my devices. Super cool.

    But all of the extra stuff that is being stuffed into OS X is stuff that I don't want. Even worse, it is breaking my productivity by causing crashes, program crashes, etc. I just want it to stop. It makes me feel like I need to just stop upgrading when I get a release that "just works."

    Yet I couldn't even use Microsoft Office after 10.11 (until .1). I currently can't read PDFs in Preview because it crashes every time I open it. All on a brand new, 2015 MBA. These are the essentials for productivity. Word processing and reading PDFs. Oh, and Mail wouldn't work, and neither did Outlook. Wow. Oh, but I can use a taco emoji, anti-bullying emoji. That's JUST what I needed instead of productivity, thank you for not giving me the choice, Apple, I didn't know what was best for me. ::middle finger emoji::
     

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