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Didn't a patent filed a while back talk about being able to tell the difference between a palm and an intentional gesture?

Can't find it now, but I thought it was on Macrumors.
 
I can't criticize multitouch trackpads as being bad or worth avoiding--but I see them as a SMALL feature, not a BIG one. So I don't really care whether Apple does that or not. Small features are nice too--nothing wrong with adding a few of those. And nothing wrong with trying them out in the lab and deciding they're not worth it.

Apple could well surprise with implementations I/we have not thought of, but otherwise... it would be cool to zoom with the trackpad, but I won't lose sleep over it if I can't.

Of course, if Apple does introduce this SMALL feature, the cry will go out: "the rumor sites PROMISED this would be a BIG feature when it's really SMALL. Apple is criminal for breaking the rumor sites' promise! I now prefer Windows, since Microsoft treats me right!" :p
 
I'm convinced that multitouch trackpads are a good idea, but I'm not convinced they're a big selling point. The ones in the MacBooks and MacBook Pro have a sort of multitouch, and if that were merely enhanced slightly we'd have the things like rotation and zooming -- the things that computer users can find fairly useful, I think, but generally don't use daily unless they're pro.

The future of computing, I am convinced, is going to stick with the keyboard and trackpad for a long time. The touchscreen, for most applications, is not much of an improvement.

I envision the distant future being a bit like Star Trek: The Next Generation -- they do simple things through voice communications. Database queries ("Computer, are there any inhabited planets in the Analingus system?"), media control ("Computer, play 'Echoes' by Pink Floyd. Louder. Louder. A little softer."), and similar functions are all performed through vocal commands.

Real work, though, is still done at a terminal. To be sure, they have futuristic equivalents of Wacom tablets, but when any sophisticated task is required, Data and La Forge are there typing, typing, typing. The keyboards are specialized, admittedly, but still keyboards. Touchscreen technology (direct manual manipulation of the object) is used, but not for real work -- more for presentations, demonstrations, hypothetical screwing around.

This is good tech, to be sure, but what Apple should be working on more is unifying applications at a low level -- making their functions available to the OS and other applications in an easier way. AppleScript, then Automator have been great leaps in this direction, although still relatively opaque and difficult to configure on-the-fly.

I imagine a day when I'll walk up to my computer and say "Computer, what books do I own that involve psychological disorders?" and the computer will respond "twenty-three." And I can say "How many of those have been made into movies which are in my library?" and the computer will respond "three." These are simple database queries that almost any n00b with a copy of iTunes and a suitable Library app or LibraryThing can accomplish, but they are largely out of the reach of vocal commands.

We have gotten so caught up in the visual capabilities of computers that we tend to forget they can communicate (and rather well) in audio. There is an enormous capacity for progress in that area, despite the large and ever-present problems with vocal recognition, text-to-speech, etc.

I agree to some extent, although I believe there will be a variety of control concepts depending on the use case.

When doing text entry, spreadsheets, etc, I think there will always be a type of keyboard as nothing can compare speed wise. I don't believe it will be replaced by any type of touch system, "hand gesture" system, speech recognition, etc.

For general navigation, I'd expect there'd be some type of intuitive touch-based or gesture-based system, with some type of "in-air" projection system.

For basic querying of information and for simple commands, whether looking at your schedule, searching for something on Google, or making a calendar entry, I do believe a voice-driven systems will be ubiquitous. The biggest technical barrier to this right now is not difficulty in recognizing human speech, but in the contextual understanding of it. Although research in natural language processing is progressing pretty quickly, it will probably take another decade or two and A LOT more computational power to even get close to the point we are envisioning.
 
There's just no "point" in doing anything more to laptop trackpads - MT was great for the iPhone and iPt, but we have the two finger horizontal and vertical scroll - with Ctrl + Scroll we even have zoom in/out.

This whole "OMG multi touch trackpad" has just been another case of Apple fanboys getting too far ahead of themselves and not thinking what such a feature would actually offer.
 
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz...

Maybe I'm crazy, but I think a multi-touch trackpad is a snoooooozer. It's only incremental technology. I'm amazed such a non-earthshattering feature is even a topic of discussion here. After what Apple's done with touchscreen on the iPhone, a silly little multi-touch trackpad would seem like a huge step backward for them.
 
The killer use for multi-touch is still waiting. Yes, it works for a hand held device - but I just can not see any point on a laptop.

Technically, two finger scroll already IS multi-touch. Zooming in an out...if I'm doing enough of it I'm using a mouse and can use the wheel. Rotating is a key combo. I just can't see where one could go with it.

Multi-touch leaves me feeling exceptionally 'meh'.

Doug
 
Probably I am not creative enough but could someone tell me, what the profit of gesturing wildly with hands, arms and body to comunicate with Mac is if you can get the same by slow and short movements with your fingers on a keyboard and track-/multipad?
It's fun to imagine being on the train and 20+ people are about to tell their notebooks what to do by gesturing wildly :rolleyes:
 

Even if fake - it gave me a big smile.
The source is The People ( :/ )

"According to The People, Wii console-owner Prince William is finding it difficult to use the Wii as the Queen is apparently "hooked" on using his machine.

A source from Sandringham is quoted as saying: "When she saw William playing a game after lunch she thought the Nintendo looked tremendous fun and begged to join in. She played a simple ten-pin bowling game and by all accounts was a natural.

"It was hilarious. William was in fits of laughter.
"He was enormously impressed at having such a cool gran. His only difficulty now is prising it away from the Queen's clutches. She showed all the signs of becoming a Nintendo addict."
The Queen is already said to be something of a technical whizz, with reports that she owns a BlackBerry, an iPod and a number of mobile phones.
 
Why does a multi-touch pad need to be a pad? What if it was another screen like the iPhone and it would change depending on what application is on screen? Then you could have quick navigation buttons appear, or specialized macros that would allow you to do things with just one tap of the finger.

This thought came to me after watching this demo... so I mocked it up really quickly ( I know... not the best art, but I spent no time on it)... maybe this is what Apple will do???? :D

This I like. The demo, not so much. Again, as many have already mentioned, I just don't see it being that functional across a wide range of applications. Zooming? Can already do that on my Macbook (ctrl+2 fingers on the track pad) and while it involves a key stroke I still rarely, rarely use this function. Not enough to make it a major feature I would desire. Plus, with a simple keyboard shortcut (ctrl+"+" or "-") I can easily zoom in or out in most applications w/o affecting my entire screen. Just don't see the demand, aside from photos - unless you had something like Popeye mocked above.
 
The track pad already is multitouch. Hold ctrl + 2 fingers on the track pad and drag up... it zooms in. With one finger on the track pad while zoomed in you can move around the page. My old computer, a Powerbook G4 could do this.
 
The track pad already is multitouch. Hold ctrl + 2 fingers on the track pad and drag up... it zooms in. With one finger on the track pad while zoomed in you can move around the page. My old computer, a Powerbook G4 could do this.

Didn't know that one. Even the two finger scroll is very useful. It's just one feature, but when you're browsing sites like this, or reading, a simple (ctrl) two finger scroll is easy and makes the most of using a track pad.
In this regard it's *better* than a mouse - with a mouse you have less smoothness moving up and down and there is hassle if you want to use scroll bars (scroll bars being something neither Apple nor Microsoft want in general and especially not in their mobile products).
 
Probably I am not creative enough but could someone tell me, what the profit of gesturing wildly with hands, arms and body to comunicate with Mac is if you can get the same by slow and short movements with your fingers on a keyboard and track-/multipad?
Nobody (other than a few fanatics) are talking about eliminating all other forms of input devices.

Most people today agree that a keyboard is the fastest and most efficient device for text entry, but people do more than just enter text. Just like the mouse made certain activities (program launching, selecting options from menus, manipulating non-text objects) easier, multi-touch also has the potential to make a wide variety of common tasks easier.

The oft-referenced Jeff Han video shows some applications. The Microsoft Surface demonstrations show others. I'm sure there are still more applications that have yet to be discovered (or made public.)
 
multi-track-pad killer application

come on, get the real killer-app-usage...

take the macbook air with your hands to upright format like a real book ... than it is an ..... ebook.

on the left side, the monitor will be your reading side
on the right side, by using the pad with your right fingers/thumb, you are flipping from one to the next /former page similar to an ordinary newspaper, marking a special text, flipping through chapters/pages, and many more ...

logic evolution of iTunes and Leopard feature - "cover flow"

buy an ebook at iTunes, "touch" the future...

... and amazones' kindle is kindly killed!!!

you'll see and touch

at Macworld

:apple:
 
As far as replacements to the keyboard are concerned, I read an article a while back in either Time or Economist about military technology involving chips implanted in fake teeth. These monitor vocal chord activity the same way voice-to-text programs work, except they go off of vocal chord movement rather than sound itself. When you think a word to yourself, but don't speak it aloud, your vocal chords still constrict and relax as though you were speaking, the only difference is that air is not being passed. So, in laymen's terms, the chips will be able to read soldier's minds!!!o0o0o0o0o0o0o
This will be the replacement to the keyboard. Thought-activated typing. Granted we're a ways off, but first the tech must be funded by the military (as all undertakings that are too costly to be researched and developed through the private sector). When the tech becomes popular enough, and enough subsidized companies have found cheap manufacturing processes, then it will be readily available to be used by the public for cyber sexing some hot l@dieZ
 
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