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the best PvP ever in an MMO. it's because you need 3 factions to make great PvP,

Did you ever play Shadowbane? It was a Mac/PC simultaneous release back in 2003 and closed in 2009. It was pure PVP. Players built cities, sieged other player cities, etc. It was literally a game of thrones where the political landscape was 100% dictated by the players. It had a great lore for RP'ing and background story but no actual quests and you got xp both of monsters and players you killed. :)

It was totally a niche game, and Ubisoft did a horrible job managing it but it was the most fun I've ever had in an MMO. Nothing like 200 vs 200 people going at it for 3+ hours at a time.
 
SWEEEEET! I haven't come across many concrete details about this game... might have to check out that June issue of game informer then...!
 
The only MMO I wish had native Mac support is Guild Wars 2, been playing the beta and its easily the best game of the genre.

To be fair, GW2 has a gimmick too. That gimmick just happens to be what the entire genre is about (a world that is close to being alive). And yes, I really would love them to port it (reports of it working under WINE, at least). Honestly, the game is good enough that I'm okay with a later port or heck even one of those cider hack jobs (which makes me look like a giant hypocrite but eh...I think they're using an in house engine so having limited resources is understandable). And TOR was good for a one off purchase. Just level to 50 and never go back (not great, but I can point to a lot of worse first person games).
 
This game is the death of The Elder Scrolls series. Just like "SWTOR" was the death of the Knights of the Old Republic series. For me anyways. RIP.

I see it as a side-mission. The real games will keep on comming.

But I will not play ESO. I can't stand MMO:s and as always, it's the users that ruin the experience. I would, however, consider playing if children are locked out or have dedicated servers for people over 25/30/35-something and the servers would be country or language specific.
 
To be all interested, I'd need them to rework the elf models. Cripes those are some of the worst face skins I've ever seen in a game.

First thing I did when I installed Skyrim was to get mods with better face skins.
 
I see it as a side-mission. The real games will keep on comming.

But I will not play ESO. I can't stand MMO:s and as always, it's the users that ruin the experience. I would, however, consider playing if children are locked out or have dedicated servers for people over 25/30/35-something and the servers would be country or language specific.

That would be great if age was a good indicator of maturity.
 
They are going to be using the standard action bar for using moves instead honoring skyrim's action oriented fighting style. They are taking much of what makes skyrim a great game and dumbing it down just so it can fit in the mmo genre. If bethesda really wanted to release an mmo they should start working on fallout online. Fallout online would actually provide something unique to a genre which continues to put out the same old same old.
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I can't wait

This could be a brilliant game. It's good to see OSX being taken more seriously by game devs every day. And on the topic of ports, Feral make BRILLIANT ports! I can run all their games beautifully on my 13" Macbook Pro with a simple Intel HD 3000 graphics card. The cider ports don't work well even on the top graphics cards!
 
But I will not play ESO. I can't stand MMO:s and as always, it's the users that ruin the experience. I would, however, consider playing if children are locked out or have dedicated servers for people over 25/30/35-something and the servers would be country or language specific.

You are overgeneralising your way out of any positive experience. Your premise is flawed from the start, in that people over 30 are fully capable of being asshats and punks. If you don't like the people you meet in an MMO you're hanging around the wrong people. Turn. General. Chat. Off.

The vice-leader of the guild/fleet I'm in (Star Trek Online) is a teenager. He's one of the best recruiters in the game, and as serious as any of the old farts like me (I'm not that old, but I'm twice his age...). He trains and supervises 5+ other recruiters who keep the fleet 400-500 strong with a 21-day drop, and manages the (smaller) opposing faction fleet as well.

The argument against children's suffrage is just as backwards. Look at all the adults incapable of making reasoned, educated decisions. Age is not a qualification for anything, especially maturity; experience is.
 
Would you?

Yes.

I'd say age is the single most important factor in determining relative maturity.

You are overgeneralising your way out of any positive experience.

The argument against children's suffrage is just as backwards. Look at all the adults incapable of making reasoned, educated decisions. Age is not a qualification for anything, especially maturity; experience is.

Maybe I'm generalising but the opposite - anecdotal evidence - simply doesen't work.

Yes, there are mature 14-year olds, but they come one in one hundred.

Oh, well, I guess we will not agree on this. I'm just hoping I'll get my age limits.
 
Yes.

I'd say age is the single most important factor in determining relative maturity.



Maybe I'm generalising but the opposite - anecdotal evidence - simply doesen't work.

Yes, there are mature 14-year olds, but they come one in one hundred.

Oh, well, I guess we will not agree on this. I'm just hoping I'll get my age limits.

I'm not arguing the maturity of 14 year olds. I'm arguing the maturity of most males in their twenties and to some degree thirties (and some people just never mature...and they seem to be disproportionately represented in online gaming communities). Essentially, to get most of the immature people by age you would have to exclude people up to their late twenties. (I can link to some studies regarding male mental development if you like.)
 
Bethesda can do no wrong! this game is gonna be great!

Sure about that? RAGE was a shambles at times and had the back and forth map navigation akin to a one person game of digital swingball, I still played it, but I was more relieved it was over.

I too would have said Bethesda can do no wrong, once, then I bought Hunted for £3 in a local shop, now Bethesda can mostly do no wrong.
 
@ iamdavekennedy & AustinIllini:

Alright guys, i yield. lol I guess i have selective memory!

Loved all the games i played, though!
 
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