Twitter didn’t owe the Post free speech. That’s the main point.The NY Post’s tweet about it was censored— the main post.
Don’t like it? Buy something like Twitter and feel free to allow anything you want.
Twitter didn’t owe the Post free speech. That’s the main point.The NY Post’s tweet about it was censored— the main post.
And even if people agree that spam is bad, defining spam is much more complicated., especially if it's around a political issue.
I remember (perhaps misremember) a case were there was one person who had several Twitter accounts, and claimed in each one to be a different nurse who had seen several COVID vaccine injuries. The accounts were taken down, not just because of the claims in a single account, but because the person was impersonating several different (fake) people.
If someone was following them, they may think that the account was taken down to censor negative views of the vaccines. I suppose Twitter could more publicly give their reasons for removing posts, but that may not be as straightforward to do as it seems.
There's an endless supply of people to be blocked. Blocking accounts one at a time may not work, especially for people with larger followings.
"plain discussion of opinion"
Well, that's open to interpretation 😆
Absolutely true.View attachment 1997070This reminds me of Android people. More obsessed with apple then even the fanboys, to the point they will spend hours bashing the product on apple fan forums.
Now, in this very thread, we see examples of people so empassioned at this Twitter move by Elon, that they have spent closer to 100-200 posts trying so hard to explain how it will fail, why it’s bad, racist, etc etc.
Let’s be clear, they are seen. They sat on a high horse of political censorship for a little to long, and losing that power enrages this certain (very devout) political group that relies on lies, and silencing words.
But go ahead, spend hours of your day explaining why it’s bad. You won’t convince anyone.
Yeah suuuuure believes in free speech. From Tesla NDA:Terrible peice. Quote from the article you linked “some would wonder if this would undermine democracy”.
Oof. Talk about overused scripts. Elon was right.
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It was the very first post of the NY Post article containing the original laptop story, banned at the height of an election.But the story still got out. And that's what matters. Anyone could read about Hunter Biden's Amazing Laptop. Even today.
Look... I don't know about the particular tweet you're referencing. Maybe because it was censored or whatever. Maybe it violated Twitter's terms of service. Who knows.
But no one can hide the story. And that's what you want, right? You want everyone to know the story of dirty Hunter Biden. Well you got your wish.
And no one needs Twitter... especially for hard-hitting journalism from the NY Post.
The NY Post should publish all their stories on their free website.
Oh, they already do?
Awesome.
I'll give you that one- it's possible. But also it's the principle of a company like Twitter doing it that is the problem.I disagree with Twitter's decision to take down that post. But on the other hand, it's likely that it got even more attention than it would have if Twitter had just ignored it.
Buddy, who are you trying to convince? You have demonstrated you’ve never worked in a corporate environment here.Yeah suuuuure believes in free speech. From Tesla NDA:
"You agree not to disparage Tesla, the Company's products, or the Company's officers, directors, employees, shareholders and agents, affiliates and subsidiaries in any manner likely to be harmful to them or their business, business reputation or personal reputation."
We did, now either stick on Twitter or boo hoo somewhere elseDon’t like it? Buy something like Twitter and feel free to allow anything you want.
I hope that, under this new ownership, Twitter moves in a direction in which the dialogue of both sides is elevated well beyond this. Am I skeptical of that being possible? Sure.Yep... someone sees a tweet that says "Hillary eat babies" and they think "Yeah that checks out" and they just send it along.
The question then becomes... should someone be allowed to say "Hillary eats babies" in the first place? On a private platform?
I'm glad I'm not a content moderator.
Also... I'm hungry...
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Disagree– Twitter is a very good definition of the public square. It's free to join and there are an unlimited amount of microphones not just one.If we were to go with the public square analogy (using your description above), I'd say that the entire internet is now the public square. Anyone can setup their own website to express themselves.
Twitter is the megaphone or the soapbox or the stage. You don't let the town drunk dominate the microphone.![]()
And here we have the anti-Elon mob, using a tweet of all things, that is hearsay from another person.More of Mr Pedo being an alleged free speech advocate:
I'm not the one that is making it complicated. It's the real world that is complex.It’s pretty simple dude. No need to go all theoretical and make it complex. It’s not.
"disagrees with twitters political stance." is open to interpretation. Is the post calling for lower taxes, or the genocide of a group of people?- Don’t ban/suspend accounts because because they posted something/website that disagrees with twitters political stance.
Remove trending topics altogether. I block the side panel when I'm not using a 3rd party client.- Dont manipulate trends or create fake trends
Is this a rule for the company or users? Not sure what you're getting at.- Don’t manipulate followers or create fake followers for any accounts
If you mean that the standard view should just be all posts from the accounts I follow in chronological order, I agree.- Don’t manipulate peoples news view (see new European laws)
I'm not against this in principle, but I'm not sure what that will accomplish. Are conservatives looking for some smoking gun like:- Open source all the algorithms
For all the complaints about censorship of conservatives, one thing these platforms like to do is feed you more of whatever group you're part of. Click on a tweet from a MAGA user, and underneath any replies will be a dozens of suggested Tweets from other MAGA accounts complaining about liberals.These aren’t Twitter specific, this is a popular sleuth of cocktail censorship tools that Democrat-run media companies love to use.
To be transparent. My how lukewarm we’ve gotten on transparency. I sense resistance to basic code auditing, kinda weird for the left.I'm not against this in principle, but I'm not sure what that will accomplish.
It was the very first post of the NY Post article containing the original laptop story, banned at the height of an election.
A bunch of other, more mainstream news outlets called it Russian misinformation. And since it was banned on Twitter, where global discussion happens, it was effectively and very selectively censored.
If Twitter was equally banning stories from the NYTimes, WaPo, and other outlets, perhaps you'd have a point, but to my knowledge, they haven't.
Unless it's a very high profile account, most of the moderation decisions are probably made by contractors following a quite detailed list of rules. But no list of rules can ever be complete enough to remove judgement calls, and there are too many reported messages to go through to have a deep understanding of the context of a Tweet.Maybe. But it's usually pretty apparent whether someone is engaging in civil discourse or not. Unless, of course, you're going by Twitter's rules, which are at times overly nebulous, leading to these "open to interpretation" type incidents where some people have gotten banned for simply replying in disagreement, being accused of harassment of some sort. Even if nothing were to change in Twitter's current enforcement, a lot could be gained if they were far more clear about what various rules mean and how they are intended to be enforced, and what types of posts break those rules.
Again, I'm all for transparency when it doesn't erode privacy of individuals, but I am skeptical that looking at Twitter's codebase is going to be all that useful for anyone. I am not at all resistant to Twitter showing their code.To be transparent. My how lukewarm we’ve gotten on transparency. I sense resistance to basic code auditing, kinda weird for the left.
I’d like to know I’m not being lied or misled by some algorithm that has been linked to my data mined history.
At least I know that USA News will not be punished by their government for saying the "wrong" thing.The reliance on the media some people have is dumbfounding.
Russian News - “we are the good guys, look what they did!” - Propaganda
Ukraine News - “we are the good guys, look what they did!” - Propaganda
Chinese News - “we are the good guys, look what they did!” - Propaganda
USA News - “we are the good guys, look what they did!” - Propaganda
Of course, people in the USA, specifically democrats, think no such thing exists, and that our news is truthful. And that we happen to be a global social media conglomerate. Yeah, nobody wants to control that.
Code transparency exists everywhere for those who can interpret it. It’s useful for both those who can interpret it, and end users.Again, I'm all for transparency when it doesn't erode privacy of individuals, but I am skeptical that looking at Twitter's codebase is going to be all that useful for anyone. I am not at all resistant to Twitter showing their code
You mean lying?At least I know that USA News will not be punished by their government for saying the "wrong" thing.
it’s almost as if the media distorted your view on who these people are, perhaps (dare I say) under represented them.Is it true that they don't have an Android app yet?
That seems odd. You'd think most Q-loving conspiracy theorists are using Android... not those hoity-toity Apple phones.
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