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And even if people agree that spam is bad, defining spam is much more complicated., especially if it's around a political issue.
I remember (perhaps misremember) a case were there was one person who had several Twitter accounts, and claimed in each one to be a different nurse who had seen several COVID vaccine injuries. The accounts were taken down, not just because of the claims in a single account, but because the person was impersonating several different (fake) people.

I dunno, I think the difference between someone farming tweets with multiple accounts and actual political discussion should be pretty obvious to someone with admin privileges and tools. I'm not sure if that's what you'd call spam, but I think the average person would consider it abuse of some sort.

If someone was following them, they may think that the account was taken down to censor negative views of the vaccines. I suppose Twitter could more publicly give their reasons for removing posts, but that may not be as straightforward to do as it seems.

I'm not sure why it wouldn't be straightforward, unless Twitter doesn't want its employees freeform explaining why they took a particular action, which would be understandable. However, it's not hard to point to a specific rule and the part of a tweet that broke the rule, and Twitter famously avoids doing this.

There's an endless supply of people to be blocked. Blocking accounts one at a time may not work, especially for people with larger followings.

I agree; I did acknowledge that it needs much improvement! 😉

"plain discussion of opinion"
Well, that's open to interpretation 😆

Maybe. But it's usually pretty apparent whether someone is engaging in civil discourse or not. Unless, of course, you're going by Twitter's rules, which are at times overly nebulous, leading to these "open to interpretation" type incidents where some people have gotten banned for simply replying in disagreement, being accused of harassment of some sort. Even if nothing were to change in Twitter's current enforcement, a lot could be gained if they were far more clear about what various rules mean and how they are intended to be enforced, and what types of posts break those rules.
 
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View attachment 1997070This reminds me of Android people. More obsessed with apple then even the fanboys, to the point they will spend hours bashing the product on apple fan forums.

Now, in this very thread, we see examples of people so empassioned at this Twitter move by Elon, that they have spent closer to 100-200 posts trying so hard to explain how it will fail, why it’s bad, racist, etc etc.

Let’s be clear, they are seen. They sat on a high horse of political censorship for a little to long, and losing that power enrages this certain (very devout) political group that relies on lies, and silencing words.

But go ahead, spend hours of your day explaining why it’s bad. You won’t convince anyone.
Absolutely true.
 
Terrible peice. Quote from the article you linked “some would wonder if this would undermine democracy”.

Oof. Talk about overused scripts. Elon was right.
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Yeah suuuuure believes in free speech. From Tesla NDA:
"You agree not to disparage Tesla, the Company's products, or the Company's officers, directors, employees, shareholders and agents, affiliates and subsidiaries in any manner likely to be harmful to them or their business, business reputation or personal reputation."
 
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But the story still got out. And that's what matters. Anyone could read about Hunter Biden's Amazing Laptop. Even today.

Look... I don't know about the particular tweet you're referencing. Maybe because it was censored or whatever. Maybe it violated Twitter's terms of service. Who knows.

But no one can hide the story. And that's what you want, right? You want everyone to know the story of dirty Hunter Biden. Well you got your wish.

And no one needs Twitter... especially for hard-hitting journalism from the NY Post.

The NY Post should publish all their stories on their free website.

Oh, they already do?

Awesome.
It was the very first post of the NY Post article containing the original laptop story, banned at the height of an election.

A bunch of other, more mainstream news outlets called it Russian misinformation. And since it was banned on Twitter, where global discussion happens, it was effectively and very selectively censored.

If Twitter was equally banning stories from the NYTimes, WaPo, and other outlets, perhaps you'd have a point, but to my knowledge, they haven't.
 
I disagree with Twitter's decision to take down that post. But on the other hand, it's likely that it got even more attention than it would have if Twitter had just ignored it.
I'll give you that one- it's possible. But also it's the principle of a company like Twitter doing it that is the problem.
 
Yeah suuuuure believes in free speech. From Tesla NDA:
"You agree not to disparage Tesla, the Company's products, or the Company's officers, directors, employees, shareholders and agents, affiliates and subsidiaries in any manner likely to be harmful to them or their business, business reputation or personal reputation."
Buddy, who are you trying to convince? You have demonstrated you’ve never worked in a corporate environment here.
Don’t like it? Buy something like Twitter and feel free to allow anything you want.
We did, now either stick on Twitter or boo hoo somewhere else
 
Yep... someone sees a tweet that says "Hillary eat babies" and they think "Yeah that checks out" and they just send it along.

The question then becomes... should someone be allowed to say "Hillary eats babies" in the first place? On a private platform?

I'm glad I'm not a content moderator.

Also... I'm hungry...

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I hope that, under this new ownership, Twitter moves in a direction in which the dialogue of both sides is elevated well beyond this. Am I skeptical of that being possible? Sure.

But allowing longer tweets and promoting healthy discussion and not a culture of flame wars would be a good start. Can Musk himself be an example of that? Maybe not. But I hope the people he hires can be...

In other words, I hope that posts like the example above are pushed to the bottom of the heap. If they become too problematic, slap a question mark on them, but don't censor (by hiding the tweet), shadow ban or ban the user or suppress the trend.

I say all this, of course, even though Hillary does, in fact, "eat babies."

JUST KIDDING! I don't actually believe that. :D
 
If we were to go with the public square analogy (using your description above), I'd say that the entire internet is now the public square. Anyone can setup their own website to express themselves.

Twitter is the megaphone or the soapbox or the stage. You don't let the town drunk dominate the microphone. :p
Disagree– Twitter is a very good definition of the public square. It's free to join and there are an unlimited amount of microphones not just one.

It's more akin to everyone yelling at each other in the public town square on an infinite variety of topics with some actually having good conversations. :D

The only way to make sure no one viewpoint dominates it completely is to treat all equally.

Yes, I think there are problematic areas, such as official gov't officials who spout propaganda. I hope some clever solutions can be found.
 
It’s pretty simple dude. No need to go all theoretical and make it complex. It’s not.
I'm not the one that is making it complicated. It's the real world that is complex.
- Don’t ban/suspend accounts because because they posted something/website that disagrees with twitters political stance.
"disagrees with twitters political stance." is open to interpretation. Is the post calling for lower taxes, or the genocide of a group of people?
Is the effectiveness of vaccines a political stance?
- Dont manipulate trends or create fake trends
Remove trending topics altogether. I block the side panel when I'm not using a 3rd party client.
- Don’t manipulate followers or create fake followers for any accounts
Is this a rule for the company or users? Not sure what you're getting at.
- Don’t manipulate peoples news view (see new European laws)
If you mean that the standard view should just be all posts from the accounts I follow in chronological order, I agree.
- Open source all the algorithms
I'm not against this in principle, but I'm not sure what that will accomplish. Are conservatives looking for some smoking gun like:
If profile contains "MAGA" then post score equals post score times 0.7 ?
Unless you have the complete datasets that the algorithms are operating on, I doubt you can do much with it. But if they are understandable, knowing how algorithms detect spam can make it easier to circumvent spam filters.
These aren’t Twitter specific, this is a popular sleuth of cocktail censorship tools that Democrat-run media companies love to use.
For all the complaints about censorship of conservatives, one thing these platforms like to do is feed you more of whatever group you're part of. Click on a tweet from a MAGA user, and underneath any replies will be a dozens of suggested Tweets from other MAGA accounts complaining about liberals.
 
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I'm not against this in principle, but I'm not sure what that will accomplish.
To be transparent. My how lukewarm we’ve gotten on transparency. I sense resistance to basic code auditing, kinda weird for the left.

I’d like to know I’m not being lied or misled by some algorithm that has been linked to my data mined history.
 
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It was the very first post of the NY Post article containing the original laptop story, banned at the height of an election.

A bunch of other, more mainstream news outlets called it Russian misinformation. And since it was banned on Twitter, where global discussion happens, it was effectively and very selectively censored.

If Twitter was equally banning stories from the NYTimes, WaPo, and other outlets, perhaps you'd have a point, but to my knowledge, they haven't.

Well did anyone screenshot that tweet and share it again? Did anyone else think to share a link to the NY Post story on their website?

Like I said... I don't know about the one-and-only mystical NY Post tweet that got erased. Sorry.

But since the story was big enough... people obviously heard about it.

I certainly did.

There was plenty of discussion about "Hunter Biden's laptop" before the election. Remember? I do.

The problem is... I don't think anyone really cared.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Maybe. But it's usually pretty apparent whether someone is engaging in civil discourse or not. Unless, of course, you're going by Twitter's rules, which are at times overly nebulous, leading to these "open to interpretation" type incidents where some people have gotten banned for simply replying in disagreement, being accused of harassment of some sort. Even if nothing were to change in Twitter's current enforcement, a lot could be gained if they were far more clear about what various rules mean and how they are intended to be enforced, and what types of posts break those rules.
Unless it's a very high profile account, most of the moderation decisions are probably made by contractors following a quite detailed list of rules. But no list of rules can ever be complete enough to remove judgement calls, and there are too many reported messages to go through to have a deep understanding of the context of a Tweet.
 
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The reliance on the media some people have is dumbfounding.

Russian News - “we are the good guys, look what they did!” - Propaganda

Ukraine News - “we are the good guys, look what they did!” - Propaganda

Chinese News - “we are the good guys, look what they did!” - Propaganda

USA News - “we are the good guys, look what they did!” - Propaganda

Of course, people in the USA, specifically democrats, think no such thing exists, and that our news is truthful. And that we happen to be a global social media conglomerate. Yeah, nobody wants to control that.
 
To be transparent. My how lukewarm we’ve gotten on transparency. I sense resistance to basic code auditing, kinda weird for the left.

I’d like to know I’m not being lied or misled by some algorithm that has been linked to my data mined history.
Again, I'm all for transparency when it doesn't erode privacy of individuals, but I am skeptical that looking at Twitter's codebase is going to be all that useful for anyone. I am not at all resistant to Twitter showing their code.
 
The reliance on the media some people have is dumbfounding.

Russian News - “we are the good guys, look what they did!” - Propaganda

Ukraine News - “we are the good guys, look what they did!” - Propaganda

Chinese News - “we are the good guys, look what they did!” - Propaganda

USA News - “we are the good guys, look what they did!” - Propaganda

Of course, people in the USA, specifically democrats, think no such thing exists, and that our news is truthful. And that we happen to be a global social media conglomerate. Yeah, nobody wants to control that.
At least I know that USA News will not be punished by their government for saying the "wrong" thing.
 
Again, I'm all for transparency when it doesn't erode privacy of individuals, but I am skeptical that looking at Twitter's codebase is going to be all that useful for anyone. I am not at all resistant to Twitter showing their code
Code transparency exists everywhere for those who can interpret it. It’s useful for both those who can interpret it, and end users.

That is, if end users seek a transparent social network they can trust, which I think many want and will seek out. (See top free app in App Store)

Plus it seems like a marketable value proposition
 
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Does this speak enough on what the market wants? Or nah?
 
Speaking of Trump Social... oops... I mean Truth Social...

Is it true that they don't have an Android app yet?

That seems odd. You'd think most Q-loving conspiracy theorists are using Android... not those hoity-toity Apple phones.

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