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Elon Musk Says Apple's 30% App Store Fee is 'Literally 10 Times Higher Than It Should Be'

I7guy said:
Nah, he’s not right. He overcharges for a battery and motor. His software is closed and maintenance manuals are not open to the public. Do as I say but not as I do.
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And what exactly does Elon Musk's actions with his company have to do with Apple's very excessive overcharging for a feature the majority of people didn't ask for? And that's assuming you're even right, which I will not go into, since it's irrelevant.

Does it make him a hypocrite? Sure (that's, again, assuming you're right.) Does it make him wrong about Apple? Not at all, quite the contrary in fact.
 
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Musk has criticized the Apple's App Store several times in the past. Back in July, for example, Musk called out Apple for creating a walled garden and said Tesla would never do such a thing. "I think we do want to emphasize that our goal is to support the advent of sustainable energy," Musk said at the time, responding to a question about letting competitors use the Tesla charger network. "It is not to create a walled garden and use that to bludgeon our competitors which is used by some companies."
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Funny, because while Tesla can use any charger (they come with adapters) only Teslas can access Tesla chargers. Propriety plugs and even if you somehow have an adapter, it links to the car in order to pay for it.

Also you can't install 3rd party software. Of course no CarPlay, and their map is kinda garbage.

(My wife owns a Tesla and I drive it from time to time since gas is expensive as hell.)
 
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Hmmm unlike most people who seem to have allergic reaction to this statement, I think that Elon can say whatever he wants and that's OK. It's his viewpoint.

I hope someone pointed out to him that Google and Microsoft also take 30%?
 
bigboy29 said:
Hmmm unlike most people who seem to have allergic reaction to this statement, I think that Elon can say whatever he wants and that's OK. It's his viewpoint.

I hope someone pointed out to him that Google and Microsoft also take 30%?
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Actually he can't say anything he pleases which is his problem because he thinks he can.

The FTC / SEC will be on his ass in two seconds flat in certain circumstances for market manipulation and insider trading.
 
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Well he’s right. It is disgusting. As a developer i hate paying commission but its a fact of life now which sucks. Well said Elon. Looking forward to S22 and B5 Launch !
 
likegadgets said:
You do no like Apple's 30% fee. Develop for Android or write your own OS and develop your phone.
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I'm so tired of hearing this simplistic argument. The whole point of a monopoly is that it's already too big and powerful for anyone to realistically compete with it. So telling someone on a forum that the problem can be solved by them creating their own mobile ecosystem doesn't make any sense.

Apple Knowledge Navigator said:
Also, why just single out Apple? Most platform holders are at 30% or thereabouts.
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I think it's fair to single out Apple for this kind of App Store critique since other mobile platforms pretty much copy whatever they do, including their fee structures. It might be a "duopoly," but Apple has set the standards for this industry since the first iPhone release.
 
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emmab2006 said:
Well he’s right. It is disgusting. As a developer i hate paying commission but its a fact of life now which sucks. Well said Elon. Looking forward to S22 and B5 Launch !
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How dare I have to pay for Apple to provide all those APIs, tools, languages, user interface toolkits, the huge device market, audience, distribution system and the whole damn concept to start with!

Edit: oh and the staff contribution to many open source projects and toolchains which half the planet is built on top of...
 
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Musk has criticized the Apple's App Store several times in the past. Back in July, for example, Musk called out Apple for creating a walled garden and said Tesla would never do such a thing. "I think we do want to emphasize that our goal is to support the advent of sustainable energy," Musk said at the time, responding to a question about letting competitors use the Tesla charger network. "It is not to create a walled garden and use that to bludgeon our competitors which is used by some companies."
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So the Tesla software ecosystem is even more closed – try loading any non-Tesla app or app store or root access on Teslas. He also changes a fortune to enable software features on Tesla's.

Its like Elon Musk is so removed from reality, he can't help himself being jealous!
 
Realityck said:
So the Tesla software ecosystem is even more closed – try loading any non-Tesla app or app store or root access on Teslas. He also changes a fortune to enable software features on Tesla's.

Its like Elon Musk is so removed from reality, he can't help himself being jealous!
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To be fair you can usually root a Tesla and drive off with it at least once every 6 months without even having to go near it.

It's just a crappy android tablet with a car shaped object wrapped around it.
 
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emmab2006 said:
Well he’s right. It is disgusting. As a developer i hate paying commission but its a fact of life now which sucks. Well said Elon. Looking forward to S22 and B5 Launch !
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Why not sell your apps on Windows, Android, etc.?
 
jooish said:
I'm not sure why a Tesla owner would want Car Play, but I can see a desire for Apple Music integration...
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Speaking as a Tesla owner…
  • Apple maps
  • Google maps (full)
  • Waze
  • Alternative navigation routes
  • Speed camera alerts
  • Ability to zoom in further on route
  • Ability for navigation to quieten music during instructions
  • Ability for navigation to pause audiobooks during instructions
  • Speed aware dynamic volume adjustment
  • Spotify (full resolution)
  • Other streaming services
  • PlexAmp
  • Audible
  • Prologue (audiobooks from Plex)
  • Siri voice recognition
  • iMessage/sms reading and dictation
 
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Sanme said:
Tesla and apple products owners who believe owning one minuscule stock or “I’ve been an apple user for 20 years” bla bla

Musk has hit a nerve with apple fanatics and you’re seeing the reaction in this comment section ???

Ride on Elon
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Lmao! Says the one who won't let us use Apple Music in a Tesla, or adopt CarPlay because of some childish silly feud with Apple.

Bluetooth is not the answer, and I am not sure if this is an Apple issue or a Tesla Issue, but if you resume playback from BT, and you just happened to be watching a youTube video before getting in the car, congratulations, you will now hear the YouTube video through the car's speakers rather than your Apple Music! Now you gotta fiddle with the phone while driving....so SAFE!, and go through that whole spiel of disabling "Do not disturb while driving"....once again, so safe!
 
I think Musk is an egomaniacal tool and his followers are deluded fools.

I also happen to agree that Apple’s cut should be far less than 10%.

Yes, it’s possible to agree with people you don’t care for.
 
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Sanme said:
Tesla and apple products owners who believe owning one minuscule stock or “I’ve been an apple user for 20 years” bla bla

Musk has hit a nerve with apple fanatics and you’re seeing the reaction in this comment section ???

Ride on Elon
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Actually it has nothing to do with owning stock or being a Apple Users. Elon Musk doesn't think of anyone besides himself. He does what he wants irregardless of people's lives. Like when he had a hissy fit with his Fremont Plant being closed because of covid 19 risks. He still forced workers to start up the plant in contempt to regional worker safety permission. Yes several did get it.
 
eelpout said:
In Elon-World, you never need to look at the road, right?
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Might as well make the entire car's controls only accessible by voice control and have no screens at all then. Even looking at the speed might be too much of a distraction. Cars should just could play a specific tone when you reach the agreed upon speed. /s

In Elon-World where your car has Autopilot with 8 cameras and 12 ultra-sonic sensors, it's quite a bit safer to have a phone with full access than the typical dumb car with Car Play disabling FaceTime Video, but the driver is browsing social media.

One of the things I noticed when I first got my Tesla is that when I'm on Autopilot, I have a chance to look around and see how oblivious some of the other drivers are.

Additionally, since it's illegal to drive with a phone in your hand in CA... people hold their phones down in their lap instead of holding it up and having both the phone and road in their sight... which makes it much more dangerous.
 
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acidblood said:
And what exactly does Elon Musk's actions with his company have to do with Apple's very excessive overcharging for a feature the majority of people didn't ask for? And that's assuming you're even right, which I will not go into, since it's irrelevant.
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The keyword is overcharging. Overcharging is subjective. Musk claiming apples fees and commissions are excessive is the pot calling the kettle black.
acidblood said:
Does it make him a hypocrite? Sure (that's, again, assuming you're right.)
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It’s my opinion although I didn’t use the word hypocrite.
acidblood said:
Does it make him wrong about Apple?
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Very possibly.
acidblood said:
Not at all, quite the contrary in fact.
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I disagree.
 
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