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eMac to be Discontinued?
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Unless Apple can make a 17" 1280x960 LCD iMac for $999, then the eMac better stay. Just because you don't think it "fits" doesn't mean it's not useful. Not everybody wants to have their only "entry" option being $1,299 and only getitng a 15" 1024x768 display. If Apple wants switchers, the $999 pricepoint eMac must stay.
Except for the initial display problems, I love my eMac. Great resolution, great picture (better than the LCDs, and a flat tube). I just wish they could get the noise down a bit and include the stand by default.
If you don't like it, don't by it. It's that simple
Except for the initial display problems, I love my eMac. Great resolution, great picture (better than the LCDs, and a flat tube). I just wish they could get the noise down a bit and include the stand by default.
If you don't like it, don't by it. It's that simple
Im not down on the emac( heck my monitor is still basically the same as the one in the emac ) i just happen to have a powermac connected to it. I think the Emac is a fine consumer machine as long as you are not a hard core gamer. Now with that said we know LCD's increased in price, we know that Motobutt(Motorola)was stagnated for the longest and probably still are. The emac was made because of these problems apple faced and was probably a runner up design to the new imac. So when Lcds went up, Motorola went nowhere again, Apple needed a cheaper unit to sell with the stagnated g4. Hence the EMAC all this education crap was just hype and marketing to my eyes. Now with Lcd's dropping, 970 coming we hope soon, and even faster g4's( if you can stomach that, still dont take anything from motorola with more then a grain of salt) where does this leave the emac? I think on the way out. Keep the low end lcd imac 800 and keep dropping the price. They need to have a cheapo imac version at $999 and then some better units scaling up. ANYWAYS THATS MY ARGUMENT. enjoy your emac!
Originally posted by dricci
Unless Apple can make a 17" 1280x960 LCD iMac for $999, then the eMac better stay. Just because you don't think it "fits" doesn't mean it's not useful. Not everybody wants to have their only "entry" option being $1,299 and only getitng a 15" 1024x768 display. If Apple wants switchers, the $999 pricepoint eMac must stay.
Except for the initial display problems, I love my eMac. Great resolution, great picture (better than the LCDs, and a flat tube). I just wish they could get the noise down a bit and include the stand by default.
If you don't like it, don't by it. It's that simple
Back in December I was looking to buy a new mac. I was torn between the iMac FP 800 and the eMac 800. I thought that the eMac was a better buy. Unfortunately I still haven't bought a new Mac
Soon...very soon.my sister in law also likes here emac. it's just the right machine for people with children! it strong, fast en has a clear display. the imac is to fragile.
Maybe,Maybe not, that arm is anything but fragile and i think its just a illusion when you go to move it but since i dont own one yet. Love the design and want one but iam still looking for a machine that will smoke doom3 when it comes so ill just keep waiting and hoping apple will make it faster & faster & faster, but if they keep with motorola we will be waiting and waiting and waiting.
Interesting that so many here seem displeased wiht the eMac.
If it were not for the existence of this machine, two people I have converted from Wintel to Mac the past year would still be frustrated by their Windows based machines. There's never been a Mac so easy to defend on features, quality, and performance as is the eMac. I think some here forget how skimpy, and ugly, and misbegotten the expanse of Wintel machines beneath $1000 really are.
I steered one friend toward a (then) $849 refurb from the Apple site, and my sister-in-law to a $749.00 refurb eMac, just a couple of weeks ago. Both are first-time Mac users, after a few years of puttering around (baffled) on cheap Windows boxes. They both are totally blown away by the quality experince they're havign wiht their eMacs. (coupled, of course, with my attentive, personal coaching... )
For the record, I like the eMac line as a keeper for Apple.
If it were not for the existence of this machine, two people I have converted from Wintel to Mac the past year would still be frustrated by their Windows based machines. There's never been a Mac so easy to defend on features, quality, and performance as is the eMac. I think some here forget how skimpy, and ugly, and misbegotten the expanse of Wintel machines beneath $1000 really are.
I steered one friend toward a (then) $849 refurb from the Apple site, and my sister-in-law to a $749.00 refurb eMac, just a couple of weeks ago. Both are first-time Mac users, after a few years of puttering around (baffled) on cheap Windows boxes. They both are totally blown away by the quality experince they're havign wiht their eMacs. (coupled, of course, with my attentive, personal coaching...
)For the record, I like the eMac line as a keeper for Apple.
What ever apple does it must have a inexpensive line to bring in the new users or ones who cant afford the higher machines. I think they should have a line that can be mass marketed at your wallmarts.kmarts etc for folks who dont have a apple store in their city or state for that matter( South Carolina- beam me up Scotty!) untill they do that then they better be happy with 5 per cent market share! The EMAC is a solid machine, pro speakers built in OSX,17"CRT etc. On the other hand i think they could have a base imac LCD for around the same price if they wanted to. My first machine was a Performa that i bought at Wall mart 10 years ago and it was like $1200.00 so what wrong with the classic at say 600 bucks?Maybe Emac for 700- 800??? Apples whole business philosophy is screwy when it comes to models and makes and i think we wouldnt allways be debating this if this was not true! You think they would just want to sell computers rather then 1 line stepping on the toes of another.I like the Emac but still think of it as a temporary fix to the bind of LCD's prices and Motobutts dragging along.
all-in-one...bleh
This concept is worthy but apple also NEEDS a CHEAP, EXPANDIBLE machine..consumers are price sensitive. They are also worried about shelling out a ****load of cash for a machine that can't be upgraded easily. Consumers are more aware of planned obsolescence than Apple give them credit for. Its really sad that Apple doesn't make a machine that you can't pop a new CPU in. It really is.
This concept is worthy but apple also NEEDS a CHEAP, EXPANDIBLE machine..consumers are price sensitive. They are also worried about shelling out a ****load of cash for a machine that can't be upgraded easily. Consumers are more aware of planned obsolescence than Apple give them credit for. Its really sad that Apple doesn't make a machine that you can't pop a new CPU in. It really is.
I was reading another thread where someone suggested putting in a TV tuner in the CRT iMac, along with a CF card reader and sell it at Wal-Mart.
Well, I'd like to expand the idea a little further. Take the eMac, put in a TV tuner and DVR, a CF card reader, DVD-R/CD-RW, and AM/FM Sereo tuner, and sell the whole contraption at Target next to the iPod.
Apple has iDVD, iMovie, iPhoto and iTunes. The above components can work seemlessly with iLife. Include Safari and AppleWorks, set the price at $999 and maybe include a photo printer. Then call it something like Digital iLifeStyle.
Well, I'd like to expand the idea a little further. Take the eMac, put in a TV tuner and DVR, a CF card reader, DVD-R/CD-RW, and AM/FM Sereo tuner, and sell the whole contraption at Target next to the iPod.
Apple has iDVD, iMovie, iPhoto and iTunes. The above components can work seemlessly with iLife. Include Safari and AppleWorks, set the price at $999 and maybe include a photo printer. Then call it something like Digital iLifeStyle.
Make that two Mr. Scott! Man, I'd really like to have an Apple Store in SC. Back on topic though, the eMac is a great machine. I was impressed with it when it came out. It was cheap and fast G4 and it rivaled the iMac. I really think it needs to be upgraded in the not so distant future to keep it viable and attractive Mac.
The only computer which will replace the current eMac's are faster eMac's. The eMac is a too valuble computer for Apple. Our School bought one SuperDrive eMac, and now plans to buy a whole heap more of the lower end eMac's. The iMac's are too expensive, it's not all-in-one (the speakers are external, the eMac is super strong, it's way too big and heavy for any one to steel.
Also many home users buy the eMac because it is cheaper and easier, and offers more than the previous G4 iMac's.
The price drops are due to the fact that Apple can afford it, since they made so many, to make it more attractive. We will see new eMac's soon, I don't think the price drop counts as a product cycle like it is stated on the 'Buyers Guide' page.
'E' is for 'Education'
and now 'E' is for 'Everyone'
Also many home users buy the eMac because it is cheaper and easier, and offers more than the previous G4 iMac's.
The price drops are due to the fact that Apple can afford it, since they made so many, to make it more attractive. We will see new eMac's soon, I don't think the price drop counts as a product cycle like it is stated on the 'Buyers Guide' page.
'E' is for 'Education'
and now 'E' is for 'Everyone'
awulf does make a good argument for emacs and schools, they are big and heavy! Still think Apple should bring back the cube with a little more features it was the coolest computer they ever made it just needed a pci slot and faster cpu.
Monitor Progress?
Some of these points have been made already, but the CRT gets you:
1) Higher resolution than the 15" iMac.
2) Better color accuracy (for design).
3) More physical display area too (no, the 15" does not, as advertised, provide the same area as a 17" CRT...1" is a big difference at these sizes)
4) Flexability in using lower resolutions than max without drop in quality.
Seems to me that LCDs are all about the cool factor. For desktops, what does the small footprint honestly get you? More deskspace? You're screen will still be as close as a CRT would, so the extra space is behind the monitor, not in front....not a huge help IMO. Besides that, viewing angle, color accuracy, etc. are all factors trying to catch up to CRTs.
I'm all for the eMac...it's a great deal for many people out there. Just wish it had seen updates with the iMac.
Some of these points have been made already, but the CRT gets you:
1) Higher resolution than the 15" iMac.
2) Better color accuracy (for design).
3) More physical display area too (no, the 15" does not, as advertised, provide the same area as a 17" CRT...1" is a big difference at these sizes)
4) Flexability in using lower resolutions than max without drop in quality.
Seems to me that LCDs are all about the cool factor. For desktops, what does the small footprint honestly get you? More deskspace? You're screen will still be as close as a CRT would, so the extra space is behind the monitor, not in front....not a huge help IMO. Besides that, viewing angle, color accuracy, etc. are all factors trying to catch up to CRTs.
I'm all for the eMac...it's a great deal for many people out there. Just wish it had seen updates with the iMac.
Re: all-in-one...bleh
The Mac began life in 1984 as an all-in-one machine and over the years Apple has had the best luck in marketing all-in-one consumer machines. Expandible machines are a great idea and Apple does offer these. They are called the POWERMAC line. Today you have a choice between an iMac 1Ghz or a PowerMac 1Ghz. One is expandable and geared more to semi-pros and one is aimed at the consumer wanting a good easy all-in-one solution. All-in-one is a concept that only Apple has really been able to master. I would tell them to stick their course on this. Believe it or not, there are people like me that want their computer to look nice and clean. I have this thing about wires and cables all over the place.
The Mac began life in 1984 as an all-in-one machine and over the years Apple has had the best luck in marketing all-in-one consumer machines. Expandible machines are a great idea and Apple does offer these. They are called the POWERMAC line. Today you have a choice between an iMac 1Ghz or a PowerMac 1Ghz. One is expandable and geared more to semi-pros and one is aimed at the consumer wanting a good easy all-in-one solution. All-in-one is a concept that only Apple has really been able to master. I would tell them to stick their course on this. Believe it or not, there are people like me that want their computer to look nice and clean. I have this thing about wires and cables all over the place.
Let me see here...discontinue products like the iMac and eMac that have been good solid sellers and come back with a Cube which turned out to be a flop last time around...I don't understand this.
Hey I am not bashing the Cube, I thought it was a cool concept, but I am guessing the new FP iMac was Apple's recreation of the Cube and I would wager to bet anyone that it has been MUCH more successful from a sales and marketing standpoint.
the eMac looks like a CRT iMac dropped a few times with a G4 chip and better graphics card. i would have no problem with the eMac going away. i want it to go away. plus, all of the schools around me still have almost all graphite iMacs and even (i'm pretty sure) rev a. iMacs.
keep the iMac CRT
get rid of the eMacs
and BRING BACK THE CUBE!!!!
keep the iMac CRT
get rid of the eMacs
and BRING BACK THE CUBE!!!!
Yeah, it's much better to pay twice as much for 17inch iMac
Sure! $1800+ for a 17" iMac. Let's see what we can get for the other $900: get an iPod or 2, or use it towards an iBook.
How about an eMac and an iBook for a little over 2K. That's a little more "bang for the buck" than the cute iMac.
Besides, I think a big, round backside is kind of sexy in a computer.
Sure! $1800+ for a 17" iMac. Let's see what we can get for the other $900: get an iPod or 2, or use it towards an iBook.
How about an eMac and an iBook for a little over 2K. That's a little more "bang for the buck" than the cute iMac.
Besides, I think a big, round backside is kind of sexy in a computer.
I was considering the eMac myself, what steered me away is its utter inability to upgrade. It would be a fine machine NOW, but what about a year or two from now? Of course maybe that is a lifespan of an eMac. Sell it and buy a new one after 2 years?
Like it or not, that has always been the point of Apple's consumer "i" and "e" Macs. They are an all-in-one solution that are designed to be replaced when outdated to the point they are no longer realistically usable. Maybe it sounds like a scam, but it is a great marketing strategy.
Believe it or not, most consumers in a market for a computer like this will not worry about upgrading, but will simply replace the machine after a few years.
I hear that.
I'm planning on buying a tower later on in the year. My old-ish iMac DV will go to my mother. When the iMac was purchased our family never gave upgrading any though. We needed a new, fast machine at a certain price range. We've had it now for almost 4 years with no problems to speak of. It's time for an upgrade.
I am in the same place, I bought an eMac to get me through my 3 year Graphic Design Program. When I get out I will buy a pro tower most likely. If I start my own business like I plan I will lease so I don't have to worry about replacing my computer and I can write it off as a business expense
Mike
Mike
I noticed that the original rumor link this thread was generated over has been removed by Apple.. Evidence of its truth? I too am just not impressed by eMac.. the IVAD issue and all, it's not very popular on campus, but way more than the LCD iMacs (we have none of them, the purchasers won't buy them for some reason). The G3 iMacs were way more popular (they actually fit our tiny desks and were veiwed as cheaper and durable).. I wish Apple would resume normal G3 style iMac production with just adding a G4 and maybe a cool case redesign that doesn't look bloated or gimmicky. Mostly only instructors are ordering eMacs for their personal offices.. None are getting ordered for the computer labs, those have all gone Dell because Dell is "cheaper".. forget the high failure rate on the Dells (purchasing agents can be so dumb about up-front and end-result pricing differences)..
I too am just not impressed by eMac.. the IVAD issue and all, it's not very popular on campus, but way more than the LCD iMacs (we have none of them, the purchasers won't buy them for some reason). The G3 iMacs were way more popular (they actually fit our tiny desks and were veiwed as cheaper and durable).. I wish Apple would resume normal G3 style iMac production with just adding a G4 and maybe a cool case redesign that doesn't look bloated or gimmicky. Mostly only instructors are ordering eMacs for their personal offices.. None are getting ordered for the computer labs, those have all gone Dell because Dell is "cheaper".. forget the high failure rate on the Dells (purchasing agents can be so dumb about up-front and end-result pricing differences)..