Encrypted Chat App Telegram to Remove Terrorist Content Following Ban Threat in Indonesia

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Telegram is to form a team of moderators to remove terrorist-related content from the encrypted messaging platform in Indonesia, after the country's government threatened to ban the app.

    Indonesia's Ministry of Communications and Information Technology has already blocked access to the web version of the chat platform, citing concerns that it was being used to spread "radical and terrorist propaganda" in the country, according to Reuters.

    Telegram co-founder Pavel Durov said on Sunday that the service had blocked channels reported by the government and that it would take further action to remove the illegal content.
    Telegram has been criticized by governments before for its use by terrorist groups to spread propaganda and recruit members. Last month Telegram agreed to provide basic information about the company to Russia after authorities threatened to block access to the service.

    Despite pressure from governments, Telegram's founders have refused to bow to demands for backdoors into the platform for authorities to access encrypted messages, arguing that security and privacy are central tenets of the service.

    Speaking to The Wall Street Journal on Sunday, Durov said Telegram is "heavily encrypted and privacy-oriented, but we're no friends of terrorists - in fact, every month we block thousands of ISIS-related public channels".

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  2. You are the One macrumors 6502a

    You are the One

    Dec 25, 2014
    In the present
    Considering the history of NSA/CIA/FBI it's probably an intel-op from the beginning. Shady stuff.
  3. NachoGrande, Jul 17, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2017

    NachoGrande macrumors 6502a

    Mar 30, 2010
    What's considered radical propaganda. Who decides. Slippery slope allowing government to dictate.
  4. einsteinbqat macrumors regular


    Nov 3, 2012
    Oh this is a slippery slope. But is it end-to-end encrypted? If it is, how do they know the content?
  5. Telos101 macrumors regular


    Apr 29, 2016
    This is just a guess, but I think some Telegram channels are public.
  6. itsmilo macrumors 68020


    Sep 15, 2016
    Whats the definition of terrorism though? For example Erdogan loves to claim that people with other opinions than his are terrorists
  7. justperry macrumors G3


    Aug 10, 2007
    In the core of a black hole.

    The main reason why they took action is the bolded part.
    I lived there for many years, this is just a way to prevent sharing pictures with sexual content, like naked selfies.
    Any picture without clothes is considered pornographic, even naked statues, or barely naked.
    This in a way is odd since there are still many people in Indonesia which take a bath in a river.
    Politics in Indonesia is retarded and backwards.
    Example, a few years back (in East Java) they wanted to pass a law that women had to were a Chastity belt, reason, it prevents men to go to prostitutes, now, how backwards is that.
  8. trainwrecka macrumors 6502

    Apr 24, 2007
    It's not a slippery slope if you have a standard of right and wrong you appeal to. It's only a slippery slope when the minds of men dictate what is right and wrong. That always leads to corruption and abuse of power.
  9. JosephAW macrumors 68000


    May 14, 2012
    How can they moderate this unless our conversations are not encrypted from end to end? Encryption = Smoke & Mirrors
  10. Kaibelf, Jul 17, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2017

    Kaibelf macrumors 68020


    Apr 29, 2009
    Silicon Valley, CA
    What is right and wrong though? We’re the Founding Fathers terrorists? According to King George they certainly were. And why was that “wrong?” Because he was put in a throne “by God.”

    Also, we've tried concocting standards of right and wrong before, and it hasn't gone very well. Sometimes what we consider "right" and "wrong" is totally alien to another culture. Like that time we invaded the Middle East and assumed everyone would jump for joy and suddenly the systems there would resemble something you'd see in Ohio. Family Guy did a good job mocking that with this short clip (starting at 1:29)

  11. MacBH928 macrumors 68030


    May 17, 2008
    "How to make bombs"

    I don't want the mentally unstable guy in my neighborhood to learn how to create bombs, but are we going to restrict knowledge now?
    Isn't all science knowledge is free and must be accessed by the public as a right? Who decides who learns what?
  12. Rossatron macrumors 6502a

    Apr 4, 2013
    in a ziplock bag inside a car's trunk
    "Your honor, my esteemed colleague has failed to prove what constitutes a bomb"
  13. theBostonian Suspended

    Apr 15, 2012
    Why does Telegram care if their app is banned in Indonesia, they haven't monetised it so it shouldn't matter where it's blocked or not.
  14. harrisonw1998 macrumors regular

    Jul 18, 2011
    Telegram channels can be made public so groups of people can receive read-only updates from certain groups. Telegram secret chats are encrypted end to end in the traditional way (keys held by sender/receiver only). Normal Telegram chats are encrypted in transit and on the server, but the keys are held by Telegram for features like search, cloud sync, etc. so they theoretically can access your messages, just like Facebook Messenger or others.
  15. Bawstun macrumors 65816


    Jun 25, 2009
    Really? So you support a totally encrypted, inaccessible way for potential terrorists to share knowledge and plan future attacks? Because, freedom? Really?
  16. canadianreader macrumors 6502


    Sep 24, 2014
    Indonesia is the most populous Muslim country so when government try to ban terorrist content is not bad thing at all.
  17. MacBH928 macrumors 68030


    May 17, 2008
    There is no "middle" encryption, its either encrypted or not encrypted. You make your choice, do you want every bit of information about you including email, chat history, pictures, comments, and videos available for everyone to see? Think about any career opportunities in the future you will have then don't be surprised by that one comment or chat history you had 20 years ago coming up to ruin your career.

    Encrypted or not, terrorists can have multiple ways of communication and you can't stop it of which just encrypting a file and sending it over e-mail. Or use non-monitored internet communications like IRC, Usenet, PSN voice chats. You can even just burn information on a CD, put it in a Beyonce album cover, and send it by snail mail.

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