Epic: Apple's Updated App Marketplace Install Process Proves 'Scare Screens' Deterred Users

[gnipgnop]

There are no distribution restrictions on Windows/Mac. Does that produce lower prices than mobile? No. Does that prevent an effective duopoly of operating systems? No. Is the threat of malicious activity higher? Yes.

So even though desktop already has what the EU considers to be the most effective way to increase competition and lower costs for consumers, it doesn't actually provide any benefit relative to mobile. The EU's competition ideas are not based in reality.

 

[Unggoy Murderer]

At least Spotify is a decent company. Can't say the same about Epic Games.

Despite how much time Epic has invested in these lawsuits, they've made little progress in their own store that even developers using Unreal Engine have not bothered releasing to it on PC at least.

Spotify are a terrible company. They whinge and whine all the time, promise things then never deliver.

Not to mention how little they pay artists compared to other streaming services.

 

[StuBeck]

Hence why there is a need for a scare screen.

Then why isn't this included in the app store everywhere?

 

[I7guy]

Then why isn't this included in the app store everywhere?

Because Apple is in control of their own App Store. When is the last time you walked into a car dealer and the first thing you see are the NHTSA recalls on the model you want to buy.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Because Apple is in control of their own App Store. When is the last time you walked into a car dealer and the first thing you see are the NHTSA recalls on the model you want to buy.

That actually should be something they are required to display, at least in a society geared towards the interests of actual citizens and not bought out by corporations.

 

[I7guy]

That actually should be something they are required to display, at least in a society geared towards the interests of actual citizens and not bought out by corporations.

I agree. Let’s make all companies responsible for disclaimers against the products they manufacture as long as there is evidence showing failures in due process. Apply a regulation equally or not at all.

 

[StuBeck]

Because Apple is in control of their own App Store. When is the last time you walked into a car dealer and the first thing you see are the NHTSA recalls on the model you want to buy.

Yes, and they've failed at that multiple times in the past. They should show the same thing they've asked of other stores.

Also for recalls, I mean it shows up anytime you buy a used car whether there are open recalls.

 

[I7guy]

Yes, and they've failed at that multiple times in the past. They should show the same thing they've asked of other stores.

I’m good with forcing Apple to show a disclaimer as long as it’s applied equally for every other company.

Also for recalls, I mean it shows up anytime you buy a used car whether there are open recalls.

Right. And information for “copycat” apps usually can be found with a google search. Of course such things are mostly known at the end or after the fact.

 

[meetajhu]

The EPIG Store is malware on Windows.

 

[racerhomie]

I hope this Epic-Apple feud goes on for a long long time, it’s really entertaining.

I Love that Epic is losing hundreds of Millions fighting. Good to see them bleed cash!

 

[iFishishh]

Not a fan of the everlasting Epic vs Apple, but the back and forth between them both is really telling. It highlights the fact that major companies don't care about the consumer once they reach a certain threshold. Its only about the shareholders and maximizing company profit. Neither Apple nor Epic are companies for the people anymore. RIP Steve Jobs and bring back Donald Mustard.

 

[cocky jeremy]

Another day of Epic crying like little bitches. How surprising.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Not a fan of the everlasting Epic vs Apple, but the back and forth between them both really telling. It highlights the fact that major companies don't care about the consumer once they reach a certain threshold. Its only about the shareholders and maximizing company profit. Neither Apple nor Epic are companies for the people anymore. RIP Steve Jobs and bring back Donald Mustard.

This 👆

I wish more folks understood this. Apple is a cat with the same stripes as all the others. They all just market themselves differently and to differing persuasions.

 

[StuBeck]

I’m good with forcing Apple to show a disclaimer as long as it’s applied equally for every other company.

Right. And information for “copycat” apps usually can be found with a google search. Of course such things are mostly known at the end or after the fact.

Thats literally what I said in my first comment, and then you retorted back. I'm not sure what the problem is.

 

[JMalone]

Another day of Epic crying like little bitches. How surprising.

I’m so epically scared of scare screens according to epic Epic research.

 

[jz0309]

This is objectively true.
Apple staff themselves would admit to this as it’s the entire point of the “scare screen” and why it’s called that.

That is pure nonsense, nothing else

 

[asdfjkl;]

Ah, the games billionaires play. Ma Huateng is one of the richest people in China with an estimated net worth of $70B. He owns a significant stake in Epic games along with the founder. It's not like Epic is some small startup playing David to Apple's Goliath. These are billionaires duking it out to see who can milk the consumer for the most money. Epic doesn't care one bit how many people are harmed by malware obtained via third party app stores. Ma Huateng has $70B and that's just not enough. He wants more. Damn everyone else.

 

[I7guy]

Thats literally what I said in my first comment, and then you retorted back. I'm not sure what the problem is.

It was not said this should be best practices or industry standard.

Because there is a non-zero chance an app slips through Apple review process they have more of a vested interest in keeping the App Store clean than any third party would who could put up an App Store, imo.

So sure lets lists NHTSA recall in front of your dream automobile at the dealership.

 

[gaximus]

Percentages in a graph mean noting without context of actual numbers. Also it is also putting iOS and Android on the same scale, yet android is world wide, and iOS is EU. Makes it look like iOS has more than Android. With percentages. There could be 12 downloads a day on iOS. Then something like “bad epic press” that happens to be around iOS release, then now it’s 11 downloads a day, but if android had 1000’s of users and 50 less downloads, that graph make it look like there are now less iOS downloads, when in reality there are a lot less android downloads. My point being, that graph is useless without better labels and normalizing the data. They can make it look like what ever they want, Apple has been doing this with their graphs for years.

 

[maxoakland]

I'm with Epic on this one. Apple isn't acting in user's best interest. They're using security as an excuse for lockdown

 

[maxoakland]

The rate of malicious apps that sneak through the App Store compared to malicious app outside the App Store is astronomically different.

Think about people who aren’t tech savvy.. scams are going to run rampant because Tim Sweeney couldn’t keep his damn mouth shut.

You're right. So far all the malicious iPhone apps have come from the App Store and none of them have come from alternative App stores or sideloading

 

[maxoakland]

Epic will not be happy until they get unfettered access to Apple’s App Store and technology for free.

That's exactly the way it should be. People didn't have to pay Microsoft to develop and sell a Windows app when Windows was the big star of the show. Apple's expectation to profit off other people's development is absurd because the iPhone would die without apps created by 3rd parties

 

[maxoakland]

or perhaps no one want's to download anything to do with epic. All epic do is cry about everything. EPIC WE DO NOT WANT YOUR GAMES.

They were trying to download Epic's games but Apple's scare screens scared them off. So yeah, they did want to download from Epic. That was the whole point of what they were doing

 

[maxoakland]

At least Spotify is a decent company. Can't say the same about Epic Games.

Despite how much time Epic has invested in these lawsuits, they've made little progress in their own store that even developers using Unreal Engine have not bothered releasing to it on PC at least.

Spotify is a decent company? You mean the company that makes billions while paying artists less than a hundredth of a penny per song stream? The company whose CEO became a billionaire by screwing over musicians? And then used that money to invest almost $700 million in AI weapons to kill people?

They make Epic look like lovely grandmothers running a bake sale

 

[turbineseaplane]

That is pure nonsense, nothing else

You know there was actual evidence in a court case about the scare screens, right?

"Internal company communications revealed during discovery showed Apple had extensively discussed strategies under project names "Michigan" and "Wisconsin" aimed at making external purchases as unappealing as possible to both developers and users. These revelations directly contradicted testimony in which executives claimed the commission rate was based on recommendations from outside consultants."


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