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Epic CEO: Judge's Decision 'Isn't a Win for Developers or for Consumers,' Fortnite Not Immediately Returning to App Store

Apple can still decide who lives and who dies on the appstore and nuke any developer
at will, without recourse. This is horrible. It just has too much power with the ability to dictate arbitrary rules and add new ones all the time as it sees fit.
Speaking of arbitrary, no other web browser engine than Safari is allowed. That's mind-blowing.
 
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There are some major inconsistencies in the decision which will likely be challenged on appeal. For instance, the judge makes the injunction nationwide despite only ruling the anti-steering violates California state law. Also, the judge ruled Apple cannot anti-steer payment methods under the injunction, but then found Epic in breach of contract for introducing it's own payment method which is in contradiction to the injunction.
 
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Appleman3546 said:
There are some major inconsistencies in the decision which will likely be challenged on appeal. For instance, the judge makes the injunction nationwide despite only ruling the anti-steering violates California state law. Also, the judge ruled Apple cannot anti-steer payment methods under the injunction, but then found Epic in breach of contract for introducing it's own payment method which is in contradiction to the injunction.
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Yes, this part does not make sense. Especially the fact that Apple can continue blocking Epic's account at will.
 
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The ruling was perfect. An app should always offer in-app purchase from Apple, but also be able to give the option to go to the developer's website for an alternate payment method or to sign-up for a subscription.

Personally, I'm going to use Apple's IAP 90% of the time or more, because I don't like my credit card stored in everybody's server (especially those who don't use Apple Pay which is far more secure since Apple Pay does not send your actual credit card number). But there have been some cases where App Store rules have made it impossible for devs to offer discounted upgrade pricing or bundle pricing for accessing their app on multiple platforms -- devs should be allowed to provide website links for these kind of alternate payment methods that don't fit IAP.
 
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Rogifan said:
Why doesn’t Apple allow non-Apple IAP and then compete in that space? If Apples IAP is superior to competitors what are they worried about? Of course we know the answer. This trial revealed that in 2018 and 2019 98% of IAP came from games. Apple knows there‘s a crap ton of money to be made with micro transactions in games and they want a piece of it. This isn’t about privacy or security it’s about money.
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It's always been about money. But tangentially, the first big data breach one of these new third-party payment solutions has, and that's the end of that. Users will flock back to Apple's IAP. As I said elsewhere, the devs have to do three things:
1. Make their IAP as secure
2. Charge less (otherwise why should I leave the Apple IAP ecosystem?)
3. Make their IAP solution at least as convenient

Otherwise, why bother? This might be a Pyrrhic victory for the developers who want their own IAP solutions.
 
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Seems like a good compromise then since both parties aren't happy.
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This is the problem with stuff like this-- people have a tendency to think the answer is some half-measure becauseboth sides must be legitimately upset and compromise must be fair. This just encourages people to make more and more extreme demands, and push the compromise position more in their favor.
 
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Eorlas said:
i love tim sweeney pretending to be a champion of the people.

i'm all for alternate app stores, i've personally had a greatly enhanced experience on iOS over the years thanks to the efforts of jailbreak devs who have enabled a swarm of talent to make tweaks and alternative system apps for iOS that apple wouldn't dare be creative enough to allow.

but tim pretending like they're doing this for the sake of the consumer is hilarious.
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I would hate alternative stores. i had that experience on my previous samsung phone, since the Samsung apps came from the Samsung store. You basically got 2 stores to update apps from.

If apple allowed this, eventually you would have apps only available in this store or that store. So if you want to use that app you will be forced to use that store too. And suddenly you end up with several store apps. No thank you. I'm happy with just one.

even if they added alternative stores, it would be nothing like your jailbreak experience. just because apps come from a different store does not mean that apple will allow them to make changes to the system.
 
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I don't care about Fortnite, but Epic has something very important! "Unreal Engine 5" and Quixel Megascans are really really important to push games forward. And just because of that I hope Epic does not end up bankrupt, they are putting some of the Fortnite money into some good stuff.
 
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Unfortunately for Epic, Apple can still make money for the APIs it provides to developers and that means small developers can develop games without paying 1000s in upfront costs. That means, Epic will still have 1000s of good games from small developers as competition. Sorry Epic. Your cheap stunt to eliminate competition did not work.
 
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