Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney Teases Fortnite Returning to iOS in 2023 as Legal Battle Continues

[4743913]

Sure. Let’s be clear: The DMA won‘t apply to non-EEA countries.
Apple can do as they please in other countries, if they so want to segregate their markets.

They don‘t have to allow sideloading and alternative App Stores in the US, UK, South Korea, elsewhere. Well… until those markets follow suit with their own similar legislation sooner or later.

as someone else pointed out, we will enjoy those screenshots of cool stuff the euros are doing with their iPhones that US people can't because apple is greedy and wants to gatekeep for a device you own like little dictators. That should go over swimmingly.

 

[ponzicoinbro]

because its a fake term. I don't sideload software onto my mac even though there is an App Store.. I install software. soon I will be doing the same thing on my iPad and iPhone. (without AltStore hoops)

Sideload isn't a a term for installing desktop software anyway. Pirates came up with this sorry line 'If I can self side load apps on a Mac why can't I side load apps on the phone' to justify their habits of wanting to use pirated apps on iOS without jailbreaking.

These are the correct definitions and history of the term:

Sideloading - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Ethosik]

because its a unnecessary term. I don't sideload software onto my mac even though there is an App Store.. I install software. soon I will be doing the same thing on my iPad and iPhone. (without AltStore hoops)

It is completely necessary. It completely satisfies the context when you are talking to people. If you say "I side loaded App X" you IMMEDIATELY know "Okay so not from the App Store". Immediate context provided.

"I installed App X and can't update it". Okay, did you get it from the App Store? Different troubleshooting steps. If you "side loaded" it, different troubleshooting steps. You save time by preemptively adding context to what you did.

 

[4743913]

It is completely necessary. It completely satisfies the context when you are talking to people. If you say "I side loaded App X" you IMMEDIATELY know "Okay so not from the App Store". Immediate context provided.

"I installed App X and can't update it". Okay, did you get it from the App Store? Different troubleshooting steps. If you "side loaded" it, different troubleshooting steps. You save time by preemptively adding context to what you did.

I can update any app I install.. your scenario is imaginary. Nobody asks if I got omnifocus from the App Store or outside of it on my Mac.. nobody cares.

 

[Ethosik]

I can update any app I install.. your scenario is imaginary. Nobody asks if I get omnifocus from the App Store on my Mac.. nobody cares.

You never worked in Helpdesk have you? I deal with questions like these all the time. And yes, I had to clarify before when someone says an application is faulty etc and it needs to be re-installed. I went down 10 steps and they said "woah woah, what? Where is my license key? I got it from the App Store on Mac". So it was much easier steps to deal with.

 

[4743913]

You never worked in Helpdesk have you? I deal with questions like these all the time. And yes, I had to clarify before when someone says an application is faulty etc and it needs to be re-installed. I went down 10 steps and they said "woah woah, what? Where is my license key? I got it from the App Store on Mac". So it was much easier steps to deal with.

Much simpler if users just install their software without Apple's gatekeeping. That way there is no confusion for users or helpdeskers. But really, your first question at the desk should be, did you install it or did it come from an App Store?

 

[Ethosik]

So you agree that App Stores are a problem. Glad we are on the same page here. Much simpler if users just install their software without Apple's gatekeeping. That way there is no confusion for users or helpdeskers.

Where did I say that? It's a critical part of Helpdesk support to know where an application came from. If you downloaded Office from Microsoft, go to portal.office.com and re-download it. If you got it from the App Store, delete and re-download it from there.

I have software that has product keys when I purchase online, they don't have product keys if I purchase from the App Store. That is a critical part when helping someone re-install a corrupted program. Should they dig out their product key or not? Why send someone to search their gmail if they just installed it from the App Store which doesn't have a product key?

 

[4743913]

Where did I say that?

I realized I misunderstood your point and edited.

 

[AppliedMicro]

also

German Challenges to EU Supremacy

The prequel to these rule of law developments came, however, not from Warsaw or Budapest but instead from Karlsruhe, the seat of the German Federal Constitutional Court (the Bundesverfassungsgericht, FCC). In a widely anticipated judgment, the FCC challenged the CJEU’s authority

Yes - the argument having bern that EU law violated the very core of the German constitution.
I am confident however that the DMA and its obligations imposed on Apple will not (in earnest) become a constitutional legal matter.

That is not a sandbox. It can access pictures and videos and files, but not another apps contents. Otherwise there would be no sandbox infrastructure set up. Application A cannot add code and update code for Application B.

Sandboxing in iOS not only segregates app data folders but also restricts apps‘ access to pictures, videos (or contacts, for example). And there are user preference settings to allow or deny such access.

Won't third party app stores break the sandbox architecture?

Distribution through Apple App Store is not a requirement for sandboxing.
Even Mac apps distributed outside of the Mac App Store can be sandboxed.

What AFAIK it does rely on is code signing - but I‘m not aware that the Digital Markets Act would prohibit Apple from enforcing mandatory code signing - and maybe even „notarisation“ as on (non-Mac App Store) Mac apps.

In fact, I wouldn’t surprised if Apple did just that to hamper third-party developers.

 

[sdf]

Couldn't care less. Fornite needs to die and Epic needs to make a new game! Miss the old days when Epic made things like Unreal Tournament and really showcased their tech.. not the crap that is Fornite!

I agree. They used eco be known for a great engine and great games, now they're known for sleazy attempts to upsell to children… and wanting the few controls they have preventing them from being worse removed.