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Epic Games today said it had filed a complaint to the UK's antitrust watchdog in support of the government department's ongoing investigation into Apple's alleged anti-competitive behavior.

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In September 2020, the United Kingdom Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) launched an initial inquiry into developers' complaints about Apple's App Store and so-called "anti-competitive" practices. The CMA is now concluding its initial inquiry to launch an official investigation under Chapter II of the 1998 Competition Act.

Chapter II relates to a specific company or organization using its domain position within a particular market or industry to limit competition and further enhance its position. In recent months, developers, motivated mainly by Epic Games, have accused Apple of using its dominant position on its platforms and the platform to hinder competition. The CMA says that it has "reasonable grounds" to believe that Apple has broken competition law in some form under the Competition Act of 1998.

Filed in relation to the official investigation, Epic's latest complaint alleges that Apple's anticompetitive practices and rules governing the distribution of apps and payment processing constitute a "clear violation of the UK Competition Act of 1998."

Epic argues that it also illustrates Apple's monopolistic practices, which "forbid users and developers respectively from acquiring or distributing apps through marketplaces other than Apple's App Store, while simultaneously forcing any in-app purchase to be processed through Apple's own payment system."
"By kneecapping the competition and exerting its monopoly power over app distribution and payments, Apple strips UK consumers of the right to choose how and where they get their apps, while locking developers into a single marketplace that lets Apple charge any commission rate they choose," said Epic Games founder and CEO Tim Sweeney. "These harmful practices lead to artificially inflated costs for consumers, and stifle innovation among developers, many of whom are unable to compete in a digital ecosystem that is rigged against them."
The complaint follows ongoing legal proceedings filed by Epic against Apple in the U.S. and Australia. The games company has also filed an antitrust complaint against Apple in the European Union in support of its ongoing investigation into Apple's App Store conduct.

Epic says that it isn't seeking financial damages, but rather "regulatory remedies" that will prevent Apple's "intentional distortion and manipulation of the market," in order to ensure fair access and competition for consumers and developers in the UK and around the world.

In January, ‌Epic submitted a complaint to the United Kingdom's Competition Appeal Tribunal in an effort to get the Fortnite app back on the App Store in the UK. ‌Epic argued that Apple's decision to remove Fortnite was unlawful, and tried to convince the Appeal Tribunal that it was acting on behalf of consumers and developers in the UK impacted by "Apple and Google's misuse of market power."

However, the judge ruled that ‌Epic's case against Apple Inc. was better decided in the United States, but said that ‌Epic Games‌ could sue Apple (UK) Limited, a European arm of the company.

Apple and ‌Epic Games‌ will continue their legal fight in the United States, with the two companies set to face off in court in May 2021.

Article Link: Epic Games Files Complaint to Support UK Antitrust Watchdog's Apple Probe
 
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ArPe

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Epic Games failing its epic way across the epic planet that is moving around the epic solar system that is orbiting the epic galaxy that is orbiting the epic universe that is on top of a giant epic turtle that is epically laughing at Epic Games.

HEY EPIC,

Why didn’t you stop Nazis and pedos from grooming kids in Fortnite when it was reporting a bazillion epic times?
 

Captain Trips

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Epic Games failing its epic way across the epic planet that is moving around the epic solar system that is orbiting the epic galaxy that is orbiting the epic universe that is on top of a giant epic turtle that is epically laughing at Epic Games.
Can someone drop an epic pile of crap on Epic? Please?
 

tcgjeukens

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If the law is created in 1998, what is the compelling reason to invoke it now ... and not earlier?
Just curious, does Epic have commercial activities in the UK (paying tax)? Or do all sales revenues route back to North Carolina via tax detours? If you want to make use of local laws, be local.
 
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Jony Quest

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Neither company has a right to exist if they're going to be this moany about everything.
Ummm….
One is trying to destroy user safety & the other’s entire business model to sidestep spending a solitary penny on an expensive infrastructure that they’ve reaped tens of millions of dollars from- whilst the other is working to protect your data/privacy & their own profit.

SUPER weird if you think both of those are the same level of “moany”.
 

qoop

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Ummm….
One is trying to destroy user safety & the other’s entire business model to sidestep spending a solitary penny on an expensive infrastructure that they’ve reaped tens of millions of dollars from- whilst the other is working to protect your data/privacy & their own profit.

SUPER weird if you think both of those are the same level of “moany”.
They're both soulless entities that spend their days filching because that's all they know.
 

Ubuntu

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Ummm….
One is trying to destroy user safety & the other’s entire business model to sidestep spending a solitary penny on an expensive infrastructure that they’ve reaped tens of millions of dollars from- whilst the other is working to protect your data/privacy & their own profit.

SUPER weird if you think both of those are the same level of “moany”.
Apple uses the data privacy barrier here but really it’s for control and profit. iOS itself does many great things to ensure that your data is safe; little is actually done by the App Store in that respect.
 

mrochester

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Isn’t it going to be an uphill battle for Epic to prove that Apple‘s conduct has resulted in less choice and higher prices when the App Store is absolutely stuffed full of masses of free apps?
 

AlexisV

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Even if Epic wins, would be pretty simple to disallow certain programs from certain sources from being allowed to be installed,
citing security issues.
ie. pretty easy for Apple iOS updates to break any Epic programs
 

mrochester

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I think what grates on a lot of users is that Epic appears to be trying to dictate what sort of products Apple can make and therefore dictate what sort of products consumers can chose to buy.

I would hazard a guess many people on this forum pick Apple products precisely because they do NOT operate the way google and android does and Epic apparently trying to take that choice away from them is an affront.

If a government outlaws the way Apple does business with the App Store the message being sent is that the interests of developers trump the interests of consumers.
 

theSeb

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I am curious how Epic manages to point at others with a straight face and yet is quite happy to offer publishers and game devs exclusivity deals so that their games are only sold via the Epic store. Is that not anti-competitive behaviour? I remember a long time ago when Epic used to be a cool company. Sad.
 

mrochester

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I am curious how Epic manages to point at others with a straight face and yet is quite happy to offer publishers and game devs exclusivity deals so that their games are only sold via the Epic store. Is that not anti-competitive behaviour? I remember a long time ago when Epic used to be a cool company. Sad.
Epic have been trying to garner consumer support from the very start of their campaign against Apple (hence the 1984 advert and repeated press releases about the App Store resulting in higher prices and less choice, despite choice being abundant and prices being rock bottom).

They are entirely self-serving in their endeavours. Epic simply want a bigger slice of the pie (I don’t blame them for wanting it, but they are directly trying to take away my choice as a consumer so its very difficult for me to support them).
 

falkon-engine

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I believe it’s just a matter of time before the hammer drops and Apple is found to be in violation of the law. I just don’t see how Apple can win against antitrust concerns on a long term basis if it continues on a campaign of restricting trade between users and app developers. Some developers may have a very different vision to Apple of what an app can be. Who is Apple to restrict this innovation? Who is Apple to restrict trade?

Apple profits off of being the sole App Store operator; it is an iOS App Store operator monopoly, and it takes a cut of all in-app payments for electronic goods. Curious that Apple doesn’t take a cut for physical goods like Uber or Lyft. Why the distinction? What is the basis?

Users should be given the choice to get their apps from wherever they please. If iOS is opened up to allow other app stores to operate, nothing is forcing users who are fearful of potentially bad app stores to use them. Android allows the use of other app stores besides the Google Play Store, but you don’t have to use them if you don’t want to.

Yes there may be concerns of user privacy if iOS users download apps from other app stores, but users of macOS face this same problem, and yet Apple hasn’t locked that platform down.

Will be interesting to see what happens in this space.
 

theSeb

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Epic have been trying to garner consumer support from the very start of their campaign against Apple (hence the 1984 advert and repeated press releases about the App Store resulting in higher prices and less choice, despite choice being abundant and prices being rock bottom).

They are entirely self-serving in their endeavours. Epic simply want a bigger slice of the pie (I don’t blame them for wanting it, but they are directly trying to take away my choice as a consumer so its very difficult for me to support them).
It's hard to take Sweeney and EPIC seriously after the scaremongering about Windows a few years ago.
 
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subi257

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Good luck to Epic. The App Store is evil, and it needs to be destroyed bit by bit no matter who does it.
And one the Apple Store is "destroyed" all of the smaller developers are done.....The Apple app store created the venue for all of the developers...to develop 😂 The smaller ones would most likely die off because they are not that financially backed as epic and such.
 
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