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Epic Games Submits Fortnite to U.S. App Store

I support this massive victory wholeheartedly, and have supported Epic's view of the matter since day one.

Prohibiting developers from informing users of apps of alternative payment options, always seemed extraordinarily unacceptable and actually illegal, which it is.
 
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I'm going to step away from my usual Apple advocacy for a moment... because I feel that there's a much larger truth at stake which is being largely ignored by both factions in this thread.

So, this is your obligatory reminder: For anyone who is strongly arguing in favor of one or the other of these two companies, or who is trying to assert that your favorite company has the "plight of the little people" in mind while the opposing company is only being greedy... you may need to be reminded that they're both being greedy.

  • Both are multi-billion-dollar mega-corporations who use the "little people" as pawns, and whether it's consumers or small developers makes very little difference to either of them, so long as their argument is plausible enough to convince the judges and/or jurors.
  • Both corporations are singularly focused on profits above all else, and are seeking the most effective way to maximize those profits.
  • Both corporations have pockets deep enough that they have the luxury of viewing these lawsuits as perfectly acceptable costs of doing business, and they will both exhaust absolutely all appeals before ever accepting defeat.
  • Both are willing to bully their way through the court system, and couldn't possibly care any less about who else gets hurt in the process.
  • And perhaps the very core issue at stake: both have business models that are being (ahem) slightly disrupted... by the business model of the other. Note that "slightly disrupted" still equates to billions of dollars in this case... but I still argue that it's an entirely apt description; neither corporation is at risk of going bankrupt, regardless of the ultimate decision in this battle.

This is not a fight wherein we, the little people, get to "win" anything at all... other than the privilege of spending more of our hard earned cash on one thing or another. Whether or not you get to play one particular game on one particular platform is literally the smallest of the issues at stake here. Make no mistake: Regardless of who you are or what you think your stake is in this issue, you are being used by one side or the other. (Or, quite possibly, both.)

As usual, the lawyers will win either way... and the little people get screwed. Either. Way.
 
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Stuwil said:
Because if they are not reinstated then that will confirm to some people that they are bully’s and will do anything to get their way
That is why Tim Sweeney is confident that epic will be allowed back on the iOS App Store sooner or later.
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edited your reply by adding the word in bold.
I am one of those people who will look at this that Apple is a business and is free to chose who to do business with. The court decided that apple was within their rights to ban Epic.
 
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Stuwil said:
Because if they are not reinstated then that will confirm to people that they are bully’s and will do anything to get their way
That is why Tim Sweeney is confident that epic will be allowed back on the iOS App Store sooner or later.
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I don't think not letting Epic back into the store will change anyone's opinion on Apple. Those who who want Epic back in already think Apple is a bully, and those who don't want Epic back in think Epic is the bad actor here.
 
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surferfb said:
I don't think not letting Epic back into the store will change anyone's opinion on Apple. Those who who want Epic back in already think Apple is a bully, and those who don't want Epic back in think Epic is the bad actor here.
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I suppose it’s how you look at it
It is not in Apple’s interest to not reinstate epic to the USA App Store
Because it won’t achieve anything
 
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threesixty360 said:
I think the issue is that the App Store 30% subsidies the processing and distrubution of free apps. The fact that they list free distribution doesn't mean that your $99 pays for that service. For example, you're free app can have multiple versions every few weeks that have to be reviewed / scanned etc which all happen for that $99. Also, what if your app is so successful that it gets distributed to 50% of all installed user base. All that for $99? (included developer docs etc)

The free app model has been essentiall for the App Store success since inception. But if you can just "free load" and distribute a free app and make money outside of the store.. well thats not fair either, I dont know if Apple are going to run with all of this in the long run. Somethings got to give.

It's a catch 22, I think Apple want/need to spend effort scanning/verifying apps to keep their platform safe and they need to have free apps. But if everyone ends up making money outside of the apps they could end up with them distributing every app for basically free and getting zero income. Which is insane.

I actually think the half way house of "tell your customers outside of iOS somehow you can subscribe etc." was maybe the best approach here. It kind of blurred the lines.

Even if Apple reduced the cost to just payment processing like Stripe (2-3%) it would not subsidize the free App Store.I see that Epic think 12% is reasonable for them. Console companies think 30% is reasonable etc.
Someones going to have to set a price by law or something.

Because if I was Apple I'd shut down the whole free App Store thing before I let everyone force me into distributing their stuff for nothing. No way in hell. This is a business, not a charity.
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Europe is already forcing apple to open up the app store and USA is doing the same with a new bill (app store freedom act), apple can start their own country if they want to force anything.
 
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jz0309 said:
edited your reply by adding the word in bold.
I am one of those people who will look at this that Apple is a business and is free to chose who to do business with. The court decided that apple was within their rights to ban Epic.
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You might look at it that Apple is a business
However it will not be in Apple’s interest to not approve epic’s account sooner or later because its business
 
russell_314 said:
It is not. Having screening from the App Store and not allowing downloads to execute versus installing anything you want increases the risk. No one with a basic understanding of computers will tell you even macOS is as secure as iOS.
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Strange, I remember that a$$le was saying that "there are no virus on the mac"...

But you aren't obliged to download from third parties! Give to somebody the freedom to be under attack...
 
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Apples lawyers have already told epic they can submit the app with their EU account, they wouldn’t tell them that if they wouldn’t approve it.
 
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Stuwil said:
I suppose it’s how you look at it
It is not in Apple’s interest to not reinstate epic to the USA App Store
Because it won’t achieve anything
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I actually agree that it's probably in Apple's best interest to let Epic back in, as much as I personally dislike the idea. But I don't think they are in any hurry to do so, and I'd bet it waits until the appeals are all done. And I certainly wouldn't begrudge them for not doing so. Epic behaved terribly, broke legally-binding agreements, and sued Apple - there's going to be bad blood there.

I actually think the most likely scenario is that Apple has already told Epic they won't be let back in at this time, and Epic is just doing this to drum up public support.

Maybe I'll be proven wrong though.

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Just saw this on another website; I completely forgot about the below. Apple is absolutely not letting Epic back on until at a minimum, the injunction is ruled on. From Apple's filing (page 23):

Epic will suffer little or no harm from a stay. It has no apps on the App Store and cannot directly benefit from the ordered changes.
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If they let Epic back on then that entire argument for pausing the ruling falls apart. Can't see them letting Epic back on until that is resolved.
 
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russell_314 said:
It’s funny that you think $99 annually covers server costs for millions of downloads. It’s unfortunate so many people have opinions based on incorrect information
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Totally agree, people are illiterate and they expect their strong opinion is flawless, instead they are missing the point completely
 
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jz0309 said:
They’ve done just fine without epic/fortnite for the last 5 years or so
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It’s not about that
It’s the optics now you might disagree however epic will be back on sooner or later
Because it won’t serve any purpose and more likely cause more damage to Apple
 
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surferfb said:
I actually agree that it's probably in Apple's best interest to let Epic back in, as much as I personally dislike the idea. But I don't think they are in any hurry to do so, and I'd bet it waits until the appeals are all done. And I certainly wouldn't begrudge them for not doing so. Epic behaved terribly, broke legally-binding agreements, and sued Apple - there's going to be bad blood there.

I actually think the most likely scenario is that Apple has already told Epic they won't be let back in at this time, and Epic is just doing this to drum up public support.

Maybe I'll be proven wrong though.

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Just saw this on another website; I completely forgot about the below. Apple is absolutely not letting Epic back on until at a minimum, the injunction is ruled on. From Apple's filing (page 23):



If they let Epic back on then that entire argument for pausing the ruling falls apart. Can't see them letting Epic back on until that is resolved.
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Just think about it
If epic aren’t back on the iOS App Store
Then what do you think will happen going forward
It’s not difficult to see how it will play out
 
SoldOnApple said:
Have to imagine that if EPIC can win this, that they will have game consoles in their sights next to avoid the 30% cut they have been taking for granted.
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Tim Sweeney has already said because of how the game makers business model is then he’s not going to challenge them in court
 
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