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Epic Games Takes Legal Battle With Apple to Europe With Antitrust Complaint

louisitou said:
im European too, and its the first time i hear this claim lol. Apple is very popular here and preferred in many situations.
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You guys, seem to be little bit confused, we are not talking about being popular or hated, its about european government, laws and politics
Do they hate Apple? Europe dont like american company who are involved in position of monopoly/antitrust
Keep in mind, Europe is far different from USA, its part of our DNA/mind, we are not too capitalist/liberal
 
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Mobile OS market share Europe 2010-2023| Statista

Since overtaking iOS in 2013 to become Europe’s most popular mobile operating system, Android has managed to increase its share of the market in each of the following years.
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Market shares in the United Kingdom

   “The market share iOS holds in the United Kingdom is higher than at the European level, sitting at 50.85 percent. Apple devices were the two most popular devices sold in the United Kingdom during July 2020, with the iPhone 1 and the iPhone SE 2020 making up a combined 25 percent of smartphones sold during that month”
 
bubulol said:
You guys, seem to be little bit confused, we are not talking about being popular or hated, its about european government, laws and politics
Do they hate Apple? Europe dont like american company who are involved in position of monopoly/antitrust
Keep in mind, Europe is far different from USA, its part of our DNA/mind, we are not too capitalist/liberal
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Exactly, I'm talking about the govs, not about the popularity of the products.

Every time they have a chance to attack one of the GAFAM, they take it.
 
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nicolas_s said:
Exactly, I'm talking about the govs, not about the popularity of the products.

Every time they have a chance to attack one of the GAFAM, they take it.
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Pretty normal, american companies do have dominant behavior
European government even try to throws a spanner in the works in their own compagnies
That's being said, Europe is way more conservative than USA
 
svanstrom said:
What an absolutely ridiculous statement.

Practically speaking I haven't, in recent times, come across a single person able to afford Apple devices that would use such a strong language as hating, or even strongly disliking (beyond personal preferences), Apple.

That stuff usually only happens with (passionate) teenagers (that, to be fair, could randomly proclaim to "hate" their favourite food, anything having to do with their family, wind, and the color blue); not really something that will have much sway in how the courts view something.
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When people say "Europe hates Apple" they don't mean people don't buy their products. They mean it in terms of courts and legal battles, important countries like Germany and France not once have made Apple go against their will.
For example - they made them include chargers with iPhone 12 series in France.

But they could also be referring to the fact that Europe has small and poor countries, and of course the citizens there won't be using $1000 iPhones.
 
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svanstrom said:
Not really, it's just that the pseudo-laissez-faire capitalism, managed by corporate funded lobbyism, doesn't flow in a society with a more educated sense for individual's freedoms; so the tech giants aren't "attacked", the people are having their rights defended. Big diff.
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Well, for example, here in France they voted a law aimed at Amazon to get a 3% "special" tax from all their revenues in France (so, not only profits).

After that, Amazon France raised all their prices 3%. So, the people are paying for it. I don't understand what right is defended here.
 
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nicolas_s said:
Well, for example, here in France they voted a law aimed at Amazon to get a 3% "special" tax from all their revenues in France (so, not only profits).

After that, Amazon France raised all their prices 3%. So, the people are paying for it. I don't understand what right is defended here.
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The so called GAFA tax was to deal with a perceived tax evasion by these companies; giving them a practical advantage over local companies.

*I wrote "perceived" simply to avoid a discussion about whether or not that's true.
 
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alpi123 said:
When people say "Europe hates Apple" they don't mean people don't buy their products. They mean it in terms of courts and legal battles, important countries like Germany and France not once have made Apple go against their will.
For example - they made them include chargers with iPhone 12 series in France.

But they could also be referring to the fact that Europe has small and poor countries, and of course the citizens there won't be using $1000 iPhones.
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I agreed, the funny thing its these gov/politicians, most of them or the vast majority do own an iPhone or any Apple devices lol
 
alpi123 said:
When people say "Europe hates Apple" they don't mean people don't buy their products. They mean it in terms of courts and legal battles, important countries like Germany and France not once have made Apple go against their will.
For example - they made them include chargers with iPhone 12 series in France.

But they could also be referring to the fact that Europe has small and poor countries, and of course the citizens there won't be using $1000 iPhones.
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Europe has some small and poor countries...

In some of the larger, richer European countries like France and Germany where their could easily afford flagship iPhones they just choose not to.
 
''poor'' lmao, in what parallel universe, are you all come from?
Europe doesnt have any poor countries
 
svanstrom said:
The so called GAFA tax was to deal with a perceived tax evasion by these companies; giving them a practical advantage over local companies.

*I wrote "perceived" simply to avoid a discussion about whether or not that's true.
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Tax evasion is illegal. So if it's true, they just have to prove it and attack them in court.

But because they can't prove anything, they just added that tax because they suppose it's true, without having to investigate.

The only result is that we're paying more.
 
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nicolas_s said:
Tax evasion is illegal. So if it's true, they just have to prove it and attack them in court.

But because they can't prove anything, they just added that tax because they suppose it's true, without having to investigate.

The only result is that we're paying more.
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To get the legal speak up to your level of acceptance we can just call it "tax avoidance" instead.

The point was them putting local companies at a disadvantage; so the tax system was slightly adjusted to compensate for that.
 
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svanstrom said:
To get the legal speak up to your level of acceptance we can just call it "tax avoidance" instead.

The point was them putting local companies at a disadvantage; so the tax system was slightly adjusted to compensate for that.
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They're using advantages of being on the European Union that the governements themselves created.

They set the rules, they found out that their own rules go against them, and then they tell it's unfair.
 
nicolas_s said:
They're using advantages of being on the European Union that the governements themselves created.

They set the rules, they found out that their own rules go against them, and then they tell it's unfair.
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The old rules didn't fit the current situation, which was unfair to some, so they changed the rules; why do you have such a hard time accepting that as something normal? It happens all the time; this time the ones losing their advantage just happened to be rich enough that they could turn the bloody thing into an international issue with threats about embargos and whatnot.

Rich people got their unfair advantage taken away, and they publicly fake-cried about it; and then they made their customers pay for it to keep their profit margins up.
 
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svanstrom said:
The old rules didn't fit the current situation, which was unfair to some, so they changed the rules; why do you have such a hard time accepting that as something normal? It happens all the time; this time the ones losing their advantage just happened to be rich enough that they could turn the bloody thing into an international issue with threats about embargos and whatnot.

Rich people got their unfair advantage taken away, and they publicly fake-cried about it; and then they made their customers pay for it to keep their profit margins up.
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Because it's doesn't benefit to the people. I don't think being able to buy cheaper was perceived as a problem for French people.

If instead they chose to offer more tax cuts for smaller companies so they can compete then it would be ok, but the only consequence of this law is a global price raise.
 
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