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[I7guy]

The Next Web has an interesting walkthrough of the different costs with many situations taking more than half of the sale price to overheads. It disagrees with Apple’s premise but it does have a good explanation of the various situations. Of course if you listen to Tim Sweeney, the Steam Store (and by extension his own Epic Store) should be profitable with 8%. Of course it’s easier to say that someone else should be able to do something for less than to go do it yourself. Epic’s arrangement isn’t all inclusive as in many markets they add extra charges for payment to the customer.

The article doesn't reference the fact that an app on the App store can have a $0 price with no IAP. That's a different model than Amazon (kindle).

 

[icanhazmac]

I don't need any expertise to know that 30% is too much. 30% is crazy. Sorry it is. 🤷‍♂️

What are you talking about? It's 30%!!! If that is not clearly too much I really don't know what is too much.

Unfortunately I don't have the time to discuss with half a dozen people to enlighten them.

Zellio no offense but do I also need to explain why it is bad to hold your hand into a fire?

Is it that you cannot express a coherent thought that adds to this conversation or that you will not? My guess is you cannot.

Clench your little fists and stomp your little feet and cry that 30% is too much but don't offer anything constructive to the conversation... might you be one of those mythical creatures that we aren't supposed to feed?

 

[deevey]

The Next Web has an interesting walkthrough of the different costs with many situations taking more than half of the sale price to overheads. It disagrees with Apple’s premise but it does have a good explanation of the various situations. Of course if you listen to Tim Sweeney, the Steam Store (and by extension his own Epic Store) should be profitable with 8%. Of course it’s easier to say that someone else should be able to do something for less than to go do it yourself. Epic’s arrangement isn’t all inclusive as in many markets they add extra charges for payment to the customer.

Alot of stores and products could be profitable at 8%. But not businesses are not in it to just make a profit, they are in it for maximum attainable profit. Apple included.

Does a clothes shop, supermarket or electronics store have to justify to their customers how much their margins are ?

 

[pasamio]

Alot of stores and products could be profitable at 8%. But not businesses are not in it to just make a profit, they are in it for maximum attainable profit. Apple included.

Does a clothes shop, supermarket or electronics store have to justify to their customers how much their margins are ?

My point was that Tim Sweeney said Steam should be profitable with an 8% cut however Mr Sweeney then proceeded to create his own store and charge a minimum 12% cut and up to 25% depending on the country of the purchaser. Mr Sweeney had the opportunity to put his money where his mouth was and came up short.

I'm not after anyone to justify their margins, that's their business. I am however going to lampshade a man's own assertions against his actions.

 

[deevey]

My point was that Tim Sweeney said Steam should be profitable with an 8% cut however Mr Sweeney then proceeded to create his own store and charge a minimum 12% cut and up to 25% depending on the country of the purchaser. Mr Sweeney had the opportunity to put his money where his mouth was and came up short.

I'm not after anyone to justify their margins, that's their business. I am however going to lampshade a man's own assertions against his actions.

Sorry was meant to also quote the original poster in relation to the margins, did not intend painting you with the same tainted brush.

 

[Abazigal]

Zellio no offense but do I also need to explain why it is bad to hold your hand into a fire?

The two are nothing alike.

I have previously made numerous fairly extensive explanation of why I feel that Apple is justified in collecting 30%. I am reposting it here for discussion’s sake, and am inviting you to refute my argument and poke holes in it.

If it’s as common-sense as you claim, then you should have no issues doing so.

Epic Games Unlikely to Win Injunction in Ongoing Fortnite Battle With Apple, Jury Trial Possible

The 30% goes towards covering the costs of running the App Store (and then some). For the developers, the App Store has helped grow their pie by aggregating a large pool of users with a high propensity to spend. And Apple makes it easy for us to spend money via iTunes, and the apps store is a...

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Begin quote.

The 30% goes towards covering the costs of running the App Store (and then some). For the developers, the App Store has helped grow their pie by aggregating a large pool of users with a high propensity to spend. And Apple makes it easy for us to spend money via iTunes, and the apps store is a safe and convenient way of buying and downloading apps.

All this contribute towards us purchasing even more apps than we otherwise would have, resulting in more profits for the developers, even after Apple’s 30% cut.

So I feel that Apple is entitled to some commission in this regard. Yes, developers contribute the apps, but they wouldn’t have been as successful or sold as many apps if not for Apple facilitating the transaction between them and the end user.

End quote.

Knock yourself out.

 

[Zellio]

Zellio no offense but do I also need to explain why it is bad to hold your hand into a fire?

'No offense' but you sound like the type who learned that you shouldn't hold your hand in a fire after it got burned. Maybe you should instead explain why it's too much if smaller companies like GOG can barely make a profit when they do 30%?

Can you even address that point or are you going to keep making asinine comparisons?

 

[Zellio]

The two are nothing alike.

I have previously made numerous fairly extensive explanation of why I feel that Apple is justified in collecting 30%. I am reposting it here for discussion’s sake, and am inviting you to refute my argument and poke holes in it.

If it’s as common-sense as you claim, then you should have no issues doing so.

Epic Games Unlikely to Win Injunction in Ongoing Fortnite Battle With Apple, Jury Trial Possible

The 30% goes towards covering the costs of running the App Store (and then some). For the developers, the App Store has helped grow their pie by aggregating a large pool of users with a high propensity to spend. And Apple makes it easy for us to spend money via iTunes, and the apps store is a...

forums.macrumors.com

Begin quote.

The 30% goes towards covering the costs of running the App Store (and then some). For the developers, the App Store has helped grow their pie by aggregating a large pool of users with a high propensity to spend. And Apple makes it easy for us to spend money via iTunes, and the apps store is a safe and convenient way of buying and downloading apps.

All this contribute towards us purchasing even more apps than we otherwise would have, resulting in more profits for the developers, even after Apple’s 30% cut.

So I feel that Apple is entitled to some commission in this regard. Yes, developers contribute the apps, but they wouldn’t have been as successful or sold as many apps if not for Apple facilitating the transaction between them and the end user.

End quote.

Knock yourself out.

He's not going to respond, unless it is to just tell us over and over that 30% is too much or make asinine comparisons. He refuses to address my example of GOG barely making a profit even though tey do 30%

 

[ulyssesric]

Yeah, they’re regular Robin Hood’s.

No they're trying to play Robin Hood, but all what they did so far just made them Napoleon the pig.