Epic Games v. Apple Trial Wraps Up, But We Likely Won't Know the Outcome for Months

[cmaier]

I think the bottom line is this. Apple is making a massive profit for doing minimal work here. It's estimated they profited $360,000,000 so far and their only contribution was to allow the app to be download.

Given that we don’t live in a communist county, making massive profit for minimal work, even if true, is not against the law.

Putting that aside, if you think that was Apple’s only contribution, I suppose your understanding is that Epic didn’t use any of Apple’s intellectual property, it’s SDK’s, it’s code, it’s development tools, etc., nor is Epic benefiting from the audience that Apple has created for them through Apple’s own hard work.

 

[I7guy]

Very insightful post. I agree with everything you have said. Apple is coasting and has become a mediocrity.

Apple's revenue numbers indicate otherwise. Or are you suggesting hundreds of millions are buying into Apple ecosystem because it's the best of the worst? YMMV.

 

[9927036]

Apple's revenue numbers indicate otherwise. Or are you suggesting hundreds of millions are buying into Apple ecosystem because it's the best of the worst? YMMV.

Revenue numbers are not correlated to innovation. Look at the car companies as an example. Yup, pretty much, the best of the worst.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

People didn't download fortnight because Apple promoted it, they downloaded it because they had an iPhone and the appstore is the only store available on that platform.

People downloaded Fortnite for the iPhone because:
1. The Apple iPhone existed.
2. The Apple App Store existed.
3. There were Apple customers with the Apple iPhone that had access to the Apple AppStore AND had provided their credit card information, making any purchases very easy.
4. The technology in the Apple iPhone was such that it could run a game like Fortnite.
5. Finally… Epic, seeing the potential of making money off of the Apple customer base (again, that had a very easy way of making Apple AppStore purchases on the Apple iPhone), decided to release a game for the Apple iPhone on the Apple AppStore.

So, there were a few quite a few fairly significant steps required before people could download Fortnite on ANY Apple mobile platform. Most of those steps, accordingly, requiring significant work by Apple.

 

[I7guy]

Revenue numbers are not correlated to innovation. Look at the car companies as an example. Yup, pretty much, the best of the worst.

Yup. The old you can fool some of the people some of the time...must the old reality distortion field that affects the hundreds of millions customers. You are clearly within your rights to put it out there, doesn't mean the universe agrees with you.

 

[9927036]

Yup. The old you can fool some of the people some of the time...must the old reality distortion field that affects the hundreds of millions customers. You are clearly within your rights to put it out there, doesn't mean the universe agrees with you.

Universe may not agree with you either.

 

[I7guy]

Universe may not agree with you either.

That Apple and it's products ranks highly in surveys by consumers seem to indicate they are not buying Apple products, because their mediocrity is slightly better than the competitions mediocrity. Now this isn't to say Apple is perfect, but if your opinion that apple is coasting and has fallen into mediocrity, you're welcome to say that. But I'm going to stick with the opinion that you can't fool all of the Apple customers all of the time and for their own opinions, they believe Apple products are best for them.

 

[9927036]

That Apple and it's products ranks highly in surveys by consumers seem to indicate they are not buying Apple products, because their mediocrity is slightly better than the competitions mediocrity. Now this isn't to say Apple is perfect, but if your opinion that apple is coasting and has fallen into mediocrity, you're welcome to say that. But I'm going to stick with the opinion that you can't fool all of the Apple customers all of the time and for their own opinions, they believe Apple products are best for them.

Remember that the definition of median is that half the people you meet as below the median.

 

[bastoshaq]

You ”that is how it works” but that is not at all how it works. There is a hierarchy of courts, that determines precedence. District courts are on the bottom of that hierarchy. Not to mention that, again, there will be nothing precedential in any case - once again, the closing arguments make very clear that the whole case will turn on facts specific to Apple, its particular rules, its particular market power, and its particular method for arriving at the system it arrived at. Those facts are not the same for any other company. Moreover, the judge hinted that she may base her ruling on California law, not federal law, and these other companies you are so worried about wouldn’t be sued in California.

I suggest a few years in law school might make the rules of precedence clearer.

May I ask you what kind of law degree you have?

Just to finish this off because we both don't agree with each other: "the closing arguments make very clear that the whole case will turn on facts specific to Apple"... the closing arguments? Really? Like if closing arguments make law... I'm sorry now you are trolling here for sure.

"There is a hierarchy of courts, that determines precedence. District courts are on the bottom of that hierarchy." - Indeed. So a district court rules and then appeals go all the way up and it could be overruled by a superior court. Thanks

"the judge hinted that she may base her ruling on California law, not federal law, and these other companies you are so worried about wouldn’t be sued in California." If indeed this is case, can Apple just move their base to another state and job start again?

 

[I7guy]

Remember that the definition of median is that half the people you meet as below the median.

So 50% and more find apple innovative and exciting, while 50% and less find apple mediocre and boring. Got it.