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Typo on my part. Meant “not have to negotiate the terms”
And not everything requires unanimous agreement.
Admitting a typo isn't making your case either. Do you think you can be in a pact/bloc like the EU with its various and far reaching trade policies and other connected affairs, and not need to negotiate terms when you leave!? Thats got nothing to do with whether the country in questions sovereignty has been compromised.

And by the way, if you did know about what you were talking about, you would know that it would have been perfectly possible to just withdraw and slam the door shut, as very nearly ended up happening. It just would be a terrible idea.
 
Admitting a typo isn't making your case either. Do you think you can be in a pact/bloc like the EU with its various and far reaching trade policies and other connected affairs, and not need to negotiate terms when you leave!? Thats got nothing to do with whether the country in questions sovereignty has been compromised.

I guess it comes down to how you define sovereignty. If you consider it to include, yea, we gave up the right to control certain aspects of how we operate as a country but are still a sovereign state; then fine, I would consider that still sovereign but a more limited sovereignty. Which is back to my point, member states have surrendered some of their sovereign rights to the EU in exchange for membership.

Which is why I disagree with your statement:

There is no loss of sovereignty in the slightest.

To get back to the DMA, if a member country decided to tax all sales by any App Store in that country under teh guise of an "infrastructure tax" and rebate it to Apple as reimbursement for Apple maintaining critical infrastructure for teh smooth running of all app stores and ensuring access; I suspect the EU would react negatively and it wind up in court, much as Ireland did with their tax code.

A fully sovereign state would be free to tax and use that money in any manner they see fit; however iI doubt the EU would be happy with such a (very hypothetical and unlikely) scenario.

To be clear, my position is not that EU members nor US states are not sovereign entities; just that they have given up certain sovereign rights in exchange for being part of the EU or the US. The conditions under which they are governed is different in some was and similar in others.

And by the way, if you did know about what you were talking about, you would know that it would have been perfectly possible to just withdraw and slam the door shut, as very nearly ended up happening. It just would be a terrible idea.

Yes, I realize they could have since while article 50 says a while withdrawal is to be negotiated, it also states it is effective in two years if no negotiated agreement occurs. IIRC, the UK and EU extended the deadline so as not to simply have the UK leave since both sides realized the mess it would cause. Had they not, the UK would likely have been out with no agreement, which would have been much worse than what is now the case.
 
To be clear, my position is not that EU members nor US states are not sovereign entities; just that they have given up certain sovereign rights in exchange for being part of the EU or the US.
When Texas tries to leave the US, you'd know about sovereignty.
 
When Texas tries to leave the US, you'd know about sovereignty.

In theory, there is no reason they couldn't, just no mechanism exists to formally follow, much as the EU had none for a long time. The US states could hold a constitutional convention and change the constitution to all withdrawal for the US, or even amend it to allow it; much as the EU did when they created Article 50, in what, 2009? Did that then make the EU member states sovereign again and they weren't before?

Texas still has its own military force under the governor's control, can set residency requirements, levy taxes, etc.,as do all US states and some territories; all of which are inherent in their sovereign rights.
 
In theory, there is no reason they couldn't, just no mechanism exists to formally follow, ... Texas still has its own military force under the governor's control, can set residency requirements, levy taxes, etc.,as do all US states and some territories; all of which are inherent in their sovereign rights.
I said Texas, but it could be any US state.

Article I Legislative Branch Section 10 Powers Denied States

Clause 1. No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

Clause 2. No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Control of the Congress.

Clause 3. No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
 

Correct. Just as member States gave up their sovereignty in terms of some treaty negotiations, tariffs, etc, so did US states. The states, like EU members, still control the ratification of treaties via the Senate, and Federal laws via Congress, much as the EU requires member states to approve treaties and laws; the US just does not require unanimous consent.

However, as with EU member states, US states can, and do, still have their own military force under the governor's control, can set residency requirements, levy state taxes, try someone for the same crime even if they have been tried in Federal court, etc., and many do so. The US even has sovereign nations within its boundaries.

This discussion has ventured far afield from the DMA/CTF/etc., and it's clear we just disagree on what constitutes sovereignty; which is fine.
 
However, as with EU member states, US states can, and do, still have their own military force under the governor's control, ...
The EU doesn't have an army, for example, but the sovereign member countries have.
This discussion has ventured far afield from the DMA
It does, as the EU is a union of different sovereign countries.
 
Not sure which one he is referring to. It’s not hard. Look at any manufacturer. Here I’ll choose an extreme example. You all are basing it on price alone and no other factors so what about 8GB of RAM and 256GB SSD for $4,000? Again price alone it is ridiculous

no better examples? its a rugged pc for extreme situations. enclosure alone is worth more than other components 🤦‍♂️
 
no better examples? its a rugged pc for extreme situations. enclosure alone is worth more than other components 🤦‍♂️

And other people prefer Macs for other reasons. If I do not care about a rugged PC, then it is overpriced. I would gladly pay just a $500 price difference JUST for macOS. But combine that with a gorgeous display, amazing trackpad, and three Thunderbolt ports for all my storage and 25+ Gb Thunderbolt adapters. Then Macs are not overpriced AT ALL.
 
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And other people prefer Macs for other reasons. If I do not care about a rugged PC, then it is overpriced. I would gladly pay just a $500 price difference JUST for macOS. But combine that with a gorgeous display, amazing trackpad, and three Thunderbolt ports for all my storage and 25+ Gb Thunderbolt adapters. Then Macs are not overpriced AT ALL.
maybe, but still 256gb ssd is a joke. and only fools upgrades it for gold's price...
 
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maybe, but still 256gb ssd is a joke. and only fools upgrades it for gold's price...
Not everyone needs large storage. A few of my computers are 256 because I have Thunderbolt SSDs and 25Gb networking so I don’t need internal fast storage. Those systems have dedicated tasks. Just one or two apps installed.
 
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