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Apple can talk the talk, but they never walk the walk. At the very core of their "business model" is incompatiblity with the world at large. Just like the rest of the US with its miles, ounces and gallons.
Enjoy your RS-232 ports and floppy disks. Just because you don’t understand a different measuring system doesn’t mean it’s not viable. Just for your top-secret information, the US has incorporated metric measurements for about the last 50 years. And, as elsewhere in the world, people use either system fluidly as needed.
 
Was this not raised before and it was found that they could get around this law by including an adapter in the box? Not the best solution and I can see the benefit of USB-C but Lightning is just a better connector. I don't know all the tech specs and how they compare, but physically Lightning is far better and more robust.

Just don't use Apple cables. 😄
All that wiggle has made it difficult for charging and that's happened with an iPhone 6, 7, 8, and 2020 SE. I don't see any wiggle with the USB-C connector.
 
apple wasn't too concerned about their e-waste claim when they've changed their cords before. hollow argument by them.
Apple has changed the connector on the iPhone once, in its nearly 15 years on the market, and that was because the older connector simply couldn't support the new capabilities that were needed - and they spent a long time putting off that switch, repurposing signals in the 30-pin connector numerous times. And that 30-pin connector dates back to 2003 on the iPod - eighteen years ago.

The rest of the market, in the meantime, has gone through many many proprietary connectors, and mini-usb, and micro-usb, and now usb-c. It's not like Apple has been changing cables around willy-nilly.
 
Let's standardize on RS-232C or Ultra-Wide SCSI, because standards are good. /s

What about wireless charging? How does that fit into the regulations? Why have a cable at all? What if your device has a solar panel?
 
Yes please. Drives me nuts having to carry multiple chargers for iPad, iPhone now as well as different plugs cuz they don’t fit each other either!
Nothing stopping you from charging your iPhone with you iPad charger unless you want to charge them at the same time so you would be carrying two chargers anyway.
 
Love the idea of one cable type. But sad that it is USB-C that will win. The Lightning plug is far better build, with a hole in the device. Instead of a thin piece that can break and collect dust. The best will always be a solid male and female connection. Not a Hybrid female as the USB-C plug.
 
Doesn't this just require apple to put a tiny adapter in the box?

Nothing magic about USBc. Its great although female tongue connectors feel fragile and its thicker than lightning. But nothing magic that the govt needs to force it on people.
 
I love being able to charge my Macbook Pro, my Chromebook, my drone, my DSLR camera, my android tablet, my headphones, my VR goggles and several other things with just a single power brick and cable. I don't need to have an extra room in my house for a boatload of different chargers and adapters.
What do you do when you need to charge more than one at a time?
 
While I really like the idea of having a single standard for phone cables, USB C is just not that sturdy. My previous phone had USB C and the port wore out in less than 2 years. If I tried to handle my phone while it was plugged in the cable would just fall right out. I had to put up with that for another 2+ years before I upgraded. Right now it seems like the lightning port on my iPhone 12 is going to hold up much better than USB C.
 
I think if everyone stepped away from all the politicizing everything in America(and everywhere) right now even those who truly want small government would want government to regulate these type of things.

Think of wall outlets as just one simple but ultra relatable example; wouldn’t you find it annoying if you went next door and it used completely different outlets?

Even if wanting limited government, these are the things that make sense for government creating/enforcing standards that benefit everyone as a whole.
This isn't even close to one of them....you think small govt people are worrying about the question of if the govt should force connectors to match?

If we made a list starting with property rights as number 1 and then extended in a rank order list of reasonableness this would be in the 10-100 million range with the govt current regulating in the millions already. This is an appeal to some weird small govt people.

By the way...did the govt regulate wall outlets to make it a standard? The defacto standard had existed the UK for 30 years before the govt got involved. The govt never has been involved in Wifi formats....yet here we are.

I dont know if I am small govt...but at least I know enough people and understand enough views to know most would think that was a very silly argument.
 
if it snaps, it's always the cable, not the socket. my kids killed at least 10 cables over the years, but the socket on every single device they used is intact. USB-C sockets are fragile as f..., if the central lip snaps, you can kiss your device goodbye. also, size matters. like it or not, the lightning socket is thinner and yet more robust than USB-C.
The USBC socket design is the worst. Its rated at like 10000 interactions but every time I look at it I am just waiting for that tiny fragile extension in the middle to snap. Just dumb design over functional outcome. But I do take comfort...someone tested it and it at least passed some durability test despite looking like the most fragile part on every device.
 
Usb-c is a weaker connection than USB-A or lightning. Over the long term, where 15 year old USB-A and 10 year old lightning portable devices are still functional, USB-C will have connection issues.
The one major problem with lightning is that there is a flaw where scorching happens on the power pins in one orientation, leading to the cable and/or the port only working in the other orientation. But in my experience it never completely fails. Only that one orientation fails. And it’s almost always just the cable that fails.
 
Yep, it was a standard created by the industry, but is now required and enforced by state and local governments, similar to electrical code in most of the world.

So absolutely the government stepped in and made standards for this which is why it is still an ultra relatable example. There is no reason for this to not be the adopted standard for usb as well.

Your last statement, along with your first to be fair is only a vague attempt trying to put words into my statement to fit your own agenda and not based in reality.
I think you missed his point. You have the causality wrong. The fact the govt comes in after and stamps it is near irrelevant because we dont have the alternative future where that didn't happen. We have before they did and everything was fine. Thats the only comparison we have. You cannot draw inferences about the positive impact of the govt when things were working fine, the govt said "hey this is a standard now" and things continued to be fine. Now...there are a few examples where govt standards appeared first...those would be the ones to use to make the point. But it is rare because human beings solve most problems without the need for the govt to say...this is ok.
 
I think you missed his point. You have the causality wrong. The fact the govt comes in after and stamps it is near irrelevant because we dont have the alternative future where that didn't happen. We have before they did and everything was fine. Thats the only comparison we have. You cannot draw inferences about the positive impact of the govt when things were working fine, the govt said "hey this is a standard now" and things continued to be fine. Now...there are a few examples where govt standards appeared first...those would be the ones to use to make the point. But it is rare because human beings solve most problems without the need for the govt to say...this is ok.
Except that it really wasn’t fine and that’s why state and local governments required these standards.

I think each of you two are missing the point and believe that the government needs to create a standard for it to be considered government involvement, where most things government related are taking standards that already exist and then requiring everyone to use them. This is simple logic.
 
This isn't even close to one of them....you think small govt people are worrying about the question of if the govt should force connectors to match?

If we made a list starting with property rights as number 1 and then extended in a rank order list of reasonableness this would be in the 10-100 million range with the govt current regulating in the millions already. This is an appeal to some weird small govt people.

By the way...did the govt regulate wall outlets to make it a standard? The defacto standard had existed the UK for 30 years before the govt got involved. The govt never has been involved in Wifi formats....yet here we are.

I dont know if I am small govt...but at least I know enough people and understand enough views to know most would think that was a very silly argument.
The reality is that “small government people” don’t actually exist, they think they are small government when in reality they can and do interfere with things they don’t agree with.

The government adopted what was the best standard and then state and local governments required them, making them standard mandated by governments.

Youre assuming that you have met everyone and heard every view there is when clearly that is not the case.
 
Good in theory, in reality nobody cares, cause nature is not their bottom line. Companies including Apple will sacrifice nothing to protect the Earth. At most some token actions but that’s about it.
That’s why we gotta support the EU in this decision.. and slowly let a United States of the World style government take over and regulate..
 
Never had any problems on my Macbook or iPad.

Plenty of people had problems with the lightning port on their iPhones too.


Pretty much every device in my house is USB-C now, except the iPhone.
If Apple doesn't come to their senses, i hope they will be forced.
And then the Apple tech uses a toothpick to clean out the lint…
 
Apple can talk the talk, but they never walk the walk. At the very core of their "business model" is incompatiblity with the world at large. Just like the rest of the US with its miles, ounces and gallons.
The US adopted metric as a standard over 50 years ago. One inch is defined as exactly 25.4mm.
 
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Better late than never. Shame that Apple didn't work together with the industry from the very beginning on a unified standard. Imagine how much nicer the situation would be today, ALL cables compatible, reversible, both ends the same.
That's a nice thought, but it's revisionist. USB-C came out years later.
 
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Pretty sure the only reason we still have Lightning on phones (while even Apple has moved to USB-C on all other devices) is that it gives them licensing income and control through the MFi program.

I haven't had any issues with the USB-C plugs on any of my devices, so I'd welcome this too. I recently switched all my travel chargers to USB-C, and it would be a further simplification to only have to carry C-to-C cables. Would also be great to be able to use USB-C flash drives and SD card readers. The prices for USB-C accessories have come down to acceptable levels too.
 
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