Is that what Apple's argument with the EU regulators? They said it would stife innovation and did not say hey we will change it by 2023 because that's what Steve Job said.
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The lawsuit clearly states what the user will gain if the DOJ wins the lawsuit because that is currently not happening.
Cheaper phones and Apps
Apple competing on quality and innovation
No lockdown so the user can use the device of his choice.
Thought the same. And since there seems to be so much disagreement/confusion here about what the EU means...that's a sign of a problem with how they write their laws. There's an awful lot of room for misinterpretation and/or confusion.
Maybe the EU should put some focus on that...well written and thought out laws shouldn't have this much room for confusion about what the law is supposed to mean. Well written and thought out laws SHOULD be pretty darn clear (you would think).
Many, many, people on this forum said that Apple's fee structure would be found not to be in compliance in its current form. The fact that Apple seems to believe it can play games with the law and its defenders on this forum support them playing games does not mean the law is unclear. Plain reading of the text suggests that Apple can take absolutely no actions to steer devs towards their own payment systems and yet they clearly continue to do just that.
EU should just get it over with and charge US tech giants an EU annual surcharge tax to help keep their declining economies afloat. It would be cheaper and faster than wasting time on legal fees for this charade.
True, they did. However, whether or not Apple has been found to be in compliance or not has NOT been officially determined yet. Such a "clear and obvious" violation shouldn't take up to 12 months to investigate, right? If it's such an obvious violation, they should be able to wrap up this investigation pretty quick. Saying it could take up to 12 months suggests it's NOT so obvious and they have to do some serious digging. Sounds odd to me. 12 months is, however, plenty of time to find something that is not currently a violation under the current law and update said law to make it one. 🤔 I guess EVERYONE, whether Apple defender or EU defender should just take a seat and see what happens.
So, Apple, should also be just able to get their lawsuit in the US dismissed tomorrow right? After all, when there is a compliance with the law issue at stake it takes no time at all to solve.
What jurisdiction in the world has ever moved that quickly? Would you be happier if the EU had just said, bam, here's a 10% global revenue fine for non-compliance? Wouldn't you rather they decide how to proceed after talking to stakeholders and trying to get Apple to comply without fining them first?
Well, they are not wrong about stifling innovation that has nothing to do with Apple moving to USBC. It is just a matter of fact.
As I just said, this case is falling apart fast.
The EU needs time to change the law again so they can say see a violation.
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Sometimes I am under the impression that all this stubbornness has little to do with money, security or shareholders but just some stubborn petty high level executives and CEO that just like to burn more money to fight back than they would actually lose by just being compliant and allow some website link in an app to sign up.
Due process takes time - invite responses from affected parties, collate the responses, ask Apple to supply information, analyse the overall situation. Come to a conclusion as to the facts. If there is a violation, decide on the fine and then issue the decision.
If there is a fine, then the fine can be paid, or the decision can be appealed to Court.
On this side of the pond, justice is not done off the cuff, Spaghetti Western style.
There may not need for that. Before the DMA came into force, Apple was fined €1.8 billion for abusing its dominant position in the market for the distribution of music streaming applications.
This still seems way off to me; anytime I see music integration in an app, it is always with Spotify. I'm not sure how poor Spotify gets by seeing how they are growing faster than any other music service.
That doesn’t answer my question. I welcomed the switch to USB-C, although I am still uneasy about requiring it without alternatives. Who will build a better connector if they have to include USB-C anyway? There’s so space for two connectors.
As for my original question: what do you expect to gain as a customer and user from these new rules? And how were you fooled?
tbat doesn’t mean the next connector wouldn’t have been another proprietary one. The fact lightening’s successor was usbc is exclusively Europe’s merit. And in case there was any doubt see what connector Apple put on the Vision Pro, that is not subject to eu regulation about usb-c. Apple cam we out with two different new proprietary connectors. Because why not 😂
LOL! You actually believe Apple would changed to USB-C on the iPhone themselves, almost right in time. A bit of history:
https://www.wired.com/story/apple-says-iphones-will-finally-get-usb-c-ports/
A literal quote from Greg Joswiak, senior vice president of Apple: “Governments get to do what they’re gonna do,” Joswiak said at the WSJ Tech Live conference this week.“Obviously, we’ll have to comply. We have no choice.”
There, you have it, I do not how you can conclude differently: Apple would have kept using Lightning if they had the choice (and they still do, on their keyboards and mice...).
That was not my question. What do you expect to gain, not the DOJ.
Apple will not make cheaper phones. They have nothing to gain by weakening their brand and the were never going for the low end market.
Apps will not become cheaper either, because there is no incentive to make them cheaper. The most wanted apps will be exclusives to their developers App Store and come at whatever price they want, because you won’t get them anywhere else.
And you can already use the device of your choice. The problem is that no one is making a device the way you want it. You want quality, build and security of an iPhone with the openness and liberties of an Android. But the quality and build stems from Apple’s control of the full experience, the security and privacy from limiting who has access to what. Opening iOS will not be possible without sacrificing those qualities.
Apple worked heavily on USBC and is slowly moved everything to it.
Yes. And a lot of the EU regulations will turn against the Union & its member countries and the failing businesses therein.
Especially foreign (non-EU) investors & big businesses will shy away from the unpredictably authoritarian market.
Sure, EU will get a few billion in fines to help keep the house of
EU is a failed experiment of epic proportions.
Except the one on its newest product category (Vision Pro), which contains a hidden mega-Lightning, because no regulation. What is it with the Apple Defense Force, like Jehova witnesses....
It would have been nice if the banks, the executives, and Wall St. didn't profit from the Great Recession, but do you know what the alternative would have been if the govt didn't step in to bail out the banks?
The Great Recession of 2007-2009 would have turned into another Great Depression and citizens and taxpayers would have been even worse off. Letting banks fail en masse was (partly) what made the Great Depression so bad and last so long.
From peak to trough, U.S. GDP decline by 4.3 percent during the Great Recession. The unemployment rate hit 10 percent. It lasted approximately 1 year 18 months.
The overall economy peaked in December 2007, the month the National Bureau of Economic Research recognizes as the beginning of the recession. The decline in overall economic activity was modest at first, but it steepened sharply in the fall of 2008 as stresses in financial markets reached their climax. From peak to trough, US gross domestic product fell by 4.3 percent, making this the deepest recession since World War II. It was also the longest, lasting eighteen months. The unemployment rate more than doubled, from less than 5 percent to 10 percent.
Now compare that to the Great Depression where GDP fell 29 percent from 1929 to 1933; the unemployment rate peaked at 25 percent in 1933, and some 7,000 banks (nearly a third of the banking system) failed between 1930 and 1933. The Great Depression lasted over a decade.
As much as I hated it, not bailing out the banks (or the Detroit automakers) would have been like, as the saying goes, cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.