This sounds like a kid who won a participation medal once in school, but then boasts about coming first for the rest of their life.
It just sounds ridiculous.
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EU Opens Non-Compliance Investigations into Apple, Meta, and Google
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It just sounds ridiculous.
what was so awesome about sailfish? especially when you then say it was lacking... huh?
Now I see the reason for the investigation. The DMA was just released, and I am sure there will be hiccups along the way. This first time around I would not pass any fines (unless it is found the new processes are totally not inline).
Yet, why did these companies and the EU commission not discuss these changes before they went live. Like hello. You make new rules, you give time for companies to make adjustments and then when you find their adjustments don’t meet your laws you fine them - that’s money grubbing pure and simple. If it wasn’t, money grubbing, they would have had a lot more public discussion between the effected companies and the commission.
Yet, why did these companies and the EU commission not discuss these changes before they went live. Like hello. You make new rules, you give time for companies to make adjustments and then when you find their adjustments don’t meet your laws you fine them - that’s money grubbing pure and simple. If it wasn’t, money grubbing, they would have had a lot more public discussion between the effected companies and the commission.
The DMA was also written so it would not affect the xbox even though they should also be forced to all third-party stores on the xbox.
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Great.
All of them have been way too big for way too long, and governments completely inept at grasping and regulating any of their devious moves.
All of them have been way too big for way too long, and governments completely inept at grasping and regulating any of their devious moves.
Normal people don't view Xbox and playstation the same way they think of phones and think it is funny when people try to claim that the Xbox and Playstation have as much importance and impact as smartphones. The EU is right to treat them differently. If the rules were about general purpose computers, rather than about gatekeepers, you'd be right. I actually personally think the rules should be about general purpose computers and if MS/Sony want to keep their exclusive cut they should remove all non-gaming apps from their platforms.
Consumers didnt support Microsoft or Nokia so that's why there are two main competitors standing.
Tech often comes down to two alternatives.
HD DVD vs BluRay
VHS vs Beta
MiniDisc vs DCC (no winners there!)
ATRAC vs MP3
Dolby Atmos vs DTS X
So fines & regulations should be based on peoples percetion of "importance"? Reasonable?
well thank you for deciding what apps should be on a console. hahaha.
you only want that to prop up your argument that phones are PCs and game consoles arent.
the hardware in all devices is pretty powerful and similar these days.
if a phone is a computer (as you want) then a console is too.
there are Samsung monitors that can act as dumb terminals. that would make them PCs too.
the lines are blurry.
Are you seriously going to try and make the argument that it is mere perception that differs in the importance of smartphones vs game consoles?
But I thought this law was about what's best for consumers, and having a choice is supposedly the best option, so I should be able to install games from any store I want on my Xbox.
Epic loses money charging 12% (technically they "make" money with a 12% commission until they factor in all the other costs of running a game store; this means the end result is Epic loses money with a 12% commission).
Apple charges most developers 15%. It's only the first year that is 30% or if your app is bringing in a lot of money in a year.
I actually said that the EU didn't regulate based on whether something is a PC.
I also said that they probably should have regulated based on whether or not something is a PC and that PC has sufficient market power to determine winners and losers.
If the game consoles makers want to stay out of the PC category then they should have to remove their non-gaming features.
I am not sure if Xbox and Playstation are large and powerful enough to determine winners and losers in the game market (if they are they should be regulated) but that is because I am not in the game market and don't really know its ins and outs. I know that in the mobile App market access to iOS and Android are required to succeed.
The thing is, the EU didn't just decide that their regulation applied to all PCs, but to PCs that are gatekeepers. PCs that have the power to dictate winners and losers by allowing or denying access.
Epic loses money but it also gives away huge numbers of games. We've been over this in other threads that we don't have enough insight into Epics cost structure to know why they are loosing money and thus no one can say for certain that the 12% loses money because it costs more than that to run the store or because running the store while also giving away millions of dollars of software is the problem.
The DMA is largely focused on developers with the theory that giving developers more competition that it will provide greater innovation, prices, and user experiences, to consumers.
The DMA doesn't care about closed platforms per se, it cares about closed platforms that can dictate market success. As I said in this post I don't know enough about the game market to know if they should be regulated or not. Maybe they should be, which I would support if it is the case that access to Xbox and Microsoft can determine success or failure in the game market.
It's so adorable that the EU think that it's still relevant
Apple's compliance with new EU laws designed to rein in the market power of big tech companies is set to be investigated by regulators, the European Commission has announced.
The Commission said on Monday that non-compliance investigations have been opened against Apple, Google, and Meta, under the new Digital Markets Act (DMA).
The probe into Apple will look at whether the company allows developers to "steer" users away from its App Store, as well as its default web browser choice screen. Google's rules on steering in Google Play and self-preferencing in Google searches are also being looked at, as is Meta's "pay or consent model."
The Commission said it is also taking other investigatory steps to gather facts and information to clarify whether Apple's new fee structure and other terms and conditions for alternative app stores and distribution of apps from the web (sideloading) may be defeating the purpose of its obligations under the DMA.
The Commission has also adopted five retention orders addressed to Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, Meta, and Microsoft, asking them to retain documents which might be used to assess their compliance with the DMA obligations. The Commission intends to conclude the proceedings opened today within 12 months.
In cases of infringement, the Commission can impose fines up to 10% of the company's total worldwide turnover. Such fines can go up to 20% in case of repeated infringement under the DMA. The Commission also has the power to adopt "additional remedies" such as "obliging a gatekeeper to sell a business or parts of it," or banning the company from acquisitions of additional services related to the non-compliance.
Apple earlier this month implemented several major changes to the way the App Store and apps operate in the EU in order to comply with the DMA. These changes are included in iOS 17.4, but are generally limited to countries that are in the European Union.
Article Link: EU Opens Non-Compliance Investigations into Apple, Meta, and Google
it seems the EU won’t let this one go, Apple was delusional in thinking dirty tricks would fly with an institution that actually cares about citizens. Apple will be put in line and comply, and the iPhone will be better for consumers because of it.
You do know you can go to a many physical (or internet) stores you like and buy the game disc? You can take “Side loading” quite literally in case of game consoles. Even better, I can buy them second hand!
I get Apple being fined for not complying, not trying to defend a trillion dollar company. But why would they need to pay from money they made in countries where EU law doesn't cover them, such as US? Shouldn't they only be fined based off of EU turnover?
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