Exactly this, the money is in the AppStore and the large database of saved card numbers.
Why can’t Spotify see some of that 30% as advertising??
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EU Prepares to Charge Apple in Antitrust Dispute With Spotify
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Why can’t Spotify see some of that 30% as advertising??
No matter if you believe there is an issue or not with Apple's current set-up, what I don't understand is what the courts want Apple to do? Apple has - according to the angry software companies, no right to charge anything for access to their devices or their customers. It must all be free, and allow for any system any developer wants to establish. But this doesn't work in any other commercial setting. Try selling at a craft fair, you get charged for a table. Try getting your product into Walmart, you give Walmart discounts (they DEMAND discounts greater than wholesale) and Walmart may decide not to carry your product - end of story. Even grocery stores in the US have 'house brands' that are cheaper and often replace other brands on the shelf. Why is this marketplace any different? I have no skin in this game. But their does seem to be some wishful thinking when it comes to thinking marketplaces have no barrier to entry and that your 'right' to sell can never face any kind of fee or cost on a platform or place.
Why win when you can win and get politicians to give you a 30% discount?Then why is Spotify even worried?
If this case revolves around competition... Spotify is winning!
They control less than 20% of the mobile phone market in most of the world and just about half in the United States. People can choose other platforms (Android, Android OSP, and Linux Phone among others) that have different rules. Why is this so hard for people to understand?
Not better if the result is that I have to share my data and credit card information with a million different companies, and give up the convenience and security of the App Store model.
Sounding like a broken record here but EXCELLENT. Apple’s ridiculous control and store rules have to be looked into. Glad a whole bunch of regulatory bodies agree on this
As opposed to which responsibility exactly? Apple already denies any responsibility in its iOS EULA no matter what.
You aren’t entitled to never-changing product just as developers aren’t entitled to never-changing App Store rules. Apple dumps new work and rules on them all the time. This double standard has to end. Just because it works fine for you doesn’t mean the rest of us have to either shut up and take it in the chin or use a different platform entirely.
What if it is Apple's ridiculous control and store rules that make the Apple platform a nice place for developers and consumers?
I doubt Android developers are thrilled than anyone can download an APK file from some random website.
So, are all of these countries going to start to apply these same rulings to all aspects of business or just tech? When you go into any supermarket, store brand get prime locations, all of the space they want. They set the rules on delivery, etc. Some stores only sell their own brand (Aldi, Trader Joe.) the same at the tech stores here in the US...Best buy, "Geek Squad" brand gets priority over brand name. Car dealers are only selling their own brand of accessories, when there are many other brands. Just a thought.... could this all make the big players say, screw it were out? For Apple, Google, Amazon, etc the cost of the back end is so enormous on the technology side. The immense amount of servers, storage, support engineers. The industry standard is 5 year lifespan on servers before replacement (from what I have seen working in corporate television for almost 35 years..therefore working with the IT departments. Our video servers get "end of lifed" every 5 years....all 750TB connected to workstations with 10GB/s optical fiber. The cost of electric for the equipment and the HVAC to keep it all at 68˚
Do they average out the 5 year cost, including replacement of equipment, then divide if by 5 and then charge each developer an annual fee based on that and maybe the number of downloads and skip the 30%
Do they average out the 5 year cost, including replacement of equipment, then divide if by 5 and then charge each developer an annual fee based on that and maybe the number of downloads and skip the 30%
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where is the antitrust lawsuit from artist against streaming apps taking all the money?
Who said anything about Android? nobody gestured towards android as being the optimal solution because if anything’s it’s probably a lot worse.
Apple doesn’t exercise nearly as much control on macOS and yet the app market there is as healthy as it can be and there’s no issues with security.
If these rules were making it nice for developers and users apple wouldn’t be swimming in investigations and lawsuits.
But that was my point.
Apple has crazy rules... but it's a nice place.
Android is the wild west... and thus not so nice a place.
🤦♂️ They are not forced to charge 12.99. They could also make less.
And your point is there’s no middle ground? It’s either the current rules or we turn into android? so again what about macOS?
But you’re right I don’t ever want to see App Store turn into… *gestures broadly at Google*
The end result could look like spotify creating their own phones and then their own app store. Then they could charge everyone else 0% commission to do everything involved with selling the apps....... (We all know they wouldnt do it for free.)
(This is not pointed at you 5232152. Your comment was not too bad) But I just hate how people on this thread and elsewhere think it is ok to have government step in and tell a private company what they can sell, when and how they can sell it, and how much to charge. FOR STUFF ON THEIR OWN APP STORE. If the spotify customers dont like it, go to an andoid phone. But what are android devs charged to sell their apps on the android store? I dont know. Maybe its better. But the devs have the right to go there and customers have the right to change from Apple to Android once they see some of the favorite apps missing/unavailable. The free market has a solution for all of these problems.
Okay, so charge $14.27....why not round it up to $14.99. Maybe they need to stop with the free apps with "in app purchase' and just charge for the app in the first place. Some of these developers are f****d in the head if they think I...other people are going to pay 5.99 per month to play a word puzzle game.
Sadly Apple is turning MacBooks into locked down iOS appliances.
But it is ok, it's the whole point of anti-trust. The government cannot impose such regulations to normal private companies, but if a company becomes a strong enough player in a market it also gets the power to potentially distort the market through anti-competitive practices.
The question here is whether Apple is a strong enough player to fall under anti-trust considerations and whether it's employing anti-competitive practices which damage the free market against anti-trust regulations. If the answer are no, then Apple should be left alone, otherwise the government should intervene.
I just don't want Governments to step in and FORCE companies to make a middle-ground.
If developers don't like the rules of the game... they don't have to play the game.
Luckily for Spotify... I can subscribe from their website and they'd get all the money. And I'd listen on my iPhone.
I don't know about Netflix, but I subscribed to Disney+ through the app and I'm billed through Apple. The price is the same as it would be through their site, so I suppose they don't mind paying Apple's cut.
t76turbo, I completely agree. If I own an app store...or any other business I will not have the the government, or anybody else tell me what I can or should charge. It's my store, these are my prices, buy the product or don't.
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