Google does not force OEM's to default to Google Apps. I know. Whenever I've gotten a new phone I've had to spend the first 20-30 minutes setting Google Apps as my defaults and removing or disabling all of the other ancillary apps Samsung loads.
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European Commission Fines Google $5.1B for Favoring and Pre-Installing Own Services on Android
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So Apple gets all the profits without any of the liabilities of being a monopoly.
Looks like their integrated business model is still the most lucrative!
Looks like their integrated business model is still the most lucrative!
MS should be safe, since IE is no longer the leading webbrowser.
But Chrome is and Google Search is too.
No, what you mean is Google does not force Samsung to default to Google Apps. Samsung =/= all Android OEMs. All other OEMs make a tiny profit on their phones, if at all. See quote below:
Yeah that's definitely antitrust.
The precedent has been set from the EU vs Microsoft. You can install any browser on Windows, but the EU still slapped Microsoft for antitrust for bundling IE with Windows.
That’s the way the EU works. If Microsoft had to follow their rules, what makes Google so special that they don’t have to?
The same argument could be said for Microsoft back in the '90s when they got penalized severely for essentially the same actions. Remember when Microsoft was forced to put a choice in the initial setup screen as to which browser to use as well as being forced to provide source code to other browser companies to ensure full compatibility with other OS services?
Google didn't learn that lesson ,or more likely worked the numbers and decided any potential fine would be less than the profit earned. Now the same result Microsoft faced is going to be applied to Google. Give consumers a choice of search on the home screen and if your product is indeed better they will pick it. On the other hand, if another competitor comes out with a better solution (like Chrome did in the browser war against Internet Explorer) then consumers are unconstrained in their freedom to see they have another choice as opposed to the preinstalled one.
Regarding Apple, I do think they need to be forced to open their hardware and APIs some. There isn't any real reason why I shouldn't be able to set Cortana or Alexa as my personal assistant on my iPhone and have it on standby all the time like Siri. Apple locks down certain features in a deliberate attempt to force consumers to use their services. Just like Microsoft and Google, Apple needs to be required to be reasonably open in allowing developers access to the OS to stimulate competition. There have been too many examples of apps getting killed when Apple decided to make similar functionality part of iOS and used their "non-compete" clause to shut the developers down.
But android is winning.......because of market share.
This is when not being the largest market share becomes an advantage. Every business model has their pluses and minuses. Google just need to go through what Microsoft went through with Windows.
Anything to get that user data, they feed off of it. On a serious note, not really sure how this is any different than Safari by default on iOS, but I am sure they have their reasons for the fines.
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I didn't think of it that way, good point.
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I didn't think of it that way, good point.
Correction - google wins, because of all the user data they get.
Apple wins because of their handsome margins.
Every other android phone OEM gets squeezed in the middle with razor thin profits (if they are lucky).
Android is simply a means to an end. Nothing more.
That „Android provides choice“ info graphic really makes me laugh. Having a large number of devices doesn‘t equal choce if underneath the very surface (skin) it‘s all the same crap. If Apple/iOS didn‘t exist, right now there would be no meaningful choice in the mobile sphere at all.
The difference is Google makes the Operating System that’s supposed to be open sourced and forces their other products to be preloaded on devices created by other companies. Notice Google devices are not a part of this problem. This all happened before with Windows. The key is forcing other companies to install you products on their devices to remain in your good graces. If I want to build a device using the dominant OS, I should not be forced to install other products that compete with products I may offer or have a Strategic alliance with. The customer being able to delete is not the issue. It’s the forced bundling
LOL. Android users put up with that? if Apple starts pre-loading the iPhone with 3rd party applications, I'm going back to a basic phone.
I don't need a smart phone. The way this is going, I probably won't have a phone at all in 10 years. Eventually it's just going to be a privacy ****-show. I hope apple continues to stand up against this kind of stuff. Android is the new windows and for some people, that's okay.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ord-5-billion-eu-antitrust-fine-idUSKBN1K80U8
According to this: 5B Dollars is around 4% of Googles cash reserves. Just to put those news into perspective. Thats not a sting. Do they even care?
Funny enough, spotlight can't handle 5000000000$. Crashes as soon as the dollar sign is being put in.
According to this: 5B Dollars is around 4% of Googles cash reserves. Just to put those news into perspective. Thats not a sting. Do they even care?
Funny enough, spotlight can't handle 5000000000$. Crashes as soon as the dollar sign is being put in.
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But Apple makes proprietary software and can set the rules on what software runs on your phone.
This legislation is honestly kind of dumb, considering that it seems to be leading to an outcome that is worse for the end users who want good software integration.
The real reason is that since apple makes the software and hardware, they can't be told what to do with it. Thats the equivalent of telling McDonalds there's no real reason not to sell Burger King whoppers in store.
It’s not there phones but they don’t charge for the software. In addition on Android you can change the default apps very easily.
Basically the lesson here is to vertically integrate the whole stack - like Apple does and then be immune from any kind of regulatory action.
The problem isn't about what is charged, it's that they paid to have them there. Consider the large and aging population demographic that would most likely use the first app option presented to them.
If it's okay, I'm responding to you both together. You seem to be the only two capable of not "fan boying" a topic. 
Since you two are adults (or at a minimum very mature kids) can we agree to not mix customer perspective and OEM perspective as if they are the same?
You are right. Samsung =/= all Android OEMS. But Samsung does represent the majority of the Android handsets in the EU. So the majority of the phones in the EU don't fall under the 3 things Pete mentioned.
Since you two are adults (or at a minimum very mature kids) can we agree to not mix customer perspective and OEM perspective as if they are the same?Points 2 & 3 from Pete's post have some validity imo. Point 1, not so much. If Google says use my app store (the biggest) to attract customers. In return for using my app store, you gotta load my apps onto your devices. Or you can use Android on your own and develop your own app environment like Amazon.
You are right. Samsung =/= all Android OEMS. But Samsung does represent the majority of the Android handsets in the EU. So the majority of the phones in the EU don't fall under the 3 things Pete mentioned.
If I recall correctly (I may not) MS was punitive against OEM's for failing to bend the knee. I don't think Google was being punitive. I think they basically said, "Hey take Android and run with it. Build out your ecosystem and app store as grandly as you'd like. Have a ball... or you can let us help you. But if we help you, we get some default app loads on your devices.