European smartphone manufacturers

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Who (if any) are the European smartphone manufacturers making devices worth paying attention to?

Since Nokia was sold to Microsoft, I can think of only Archos, BQ, and Wileyfox potentially belonging to such a list. They all generally operate in the low to midrange segment.

I'm interested in this because I'm realising I don't really need a true flagship Android phone - especially when multi-year updates are not guaranteed like they are with iPhone. So I'm paying more and more attention to the cheaper mid-range devices. Furthermore, for whatever reason, I find it difficult to find phones from the major phone manufacturers with the combination of smallish (5-5.2") but sharp screen (at least 1080p), large battery (3000 mAh or more), and more than 16GB internal storage that I desire (e.g. the Galaxy A5 is a phone that interested me until I realised it only had 16GB internal storage). So I've started to look more broadly. Chinese phones are very appealing in this range but they're a hassle to have to import, I don't really want to have to faff about with manually installing Google services, and there does not seem to be any real after-sale support mechanisms outside of Asia.

The European phone which has really piqued my interest, and motivated this post, is the BQ Aquaris X5 Plus. The combination of 5" 1080p screen, up to 3GB RAM, up to 64GB internal storage, > 3000 mAh battery, fingerprint reader, and near-stock Marshmallow is very appealing to me. Going by the prices on BQs other phones, I'd expect this phone to be not much more than €300. I'd never heard of BQ before, but they seem to be an established brand in their home country (Spain), have more to them than just smartphones, and offer an astonishing 5-year warranty on their devices. I'm now wondering if there are compelling devices from other European manufacturers.
 
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Nokia, Archos, BQ all made in Taiwan!!!

Anyone remember the line from Armageddon?

Anyway, I've only heard of Archos, I guess Google is your freind maybe.

And you do know you can expand the A5 memory?

Up your storage with flexible memory
With such great cameras and enhanced connectivity, storage space is easily used up. For this reason, the Galaxy A5 comes with flexible memory, which allows the 16GB storage to be increased with a 64GB MicroSD card.


http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphones/galaxy-a/SM-A500FZKUBTU


 

ozaz

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Nokia, Archos, BQ all made in Taiwan!!!
Okay .... but since they're European companies, they're selling in European markets (unlike many compelling phones from the newer Asian smartphone companies).
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Anyway, I've only heard of Archos, I guess Google is your freind maybe.
I can use Google to get a list of all the European smartphone makers. But I want to know which ones are building the most compelling, contemporary phones (and so worth keeping an eye on). Some haven't built a new phone since Android 4.4 and so can be ignored (e.g. Philips seems to be in this group).

And you do know you can expand the A5 memory?

Up your storage with flexible memory
With such great cameras and enhanced connectivity, storage space is easily used up. For this reason, the Galaxy A5 comes with flexible memory, which allows the 16GB storage to be increased with a 64GB MicroSD card.


http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphones/galaxy-a/SM-A500FZKUBTU
What is Flexible memory?

Are they referring to Marshmallow's flex/adoptable storage feature? Would be a bit premature to market it with this phone since it does not yet have Marshmallow and there is no firm (or even vague) date given for when it will be updated to Marshmallow. I'd consider 16GB + SD card on a phone running Marshmallow, but not on a phone running a pre-Marshmallow version of Android.
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Jolla, Nokia's heir.
I'll take a look. I'd only vaguely heard of them, and their OS, previously. Not sure there's room for another mobile OS.
 
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Alcatel is from France.

None of it might matter anyway. Most of them are made in China and that includes Apple (USA), LG (South Korea), and Sony (Japan).
 

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Alcatel is from France.
I think Alcatel is just the phone brand name entirely operated by TCL, a Chinese company. The French company Alcatel-Lucent were previously involved in a joint venture, but not anymore.
 
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I think Alcatel is just the phone brand name entirely operated by TCL, a Chinese company. The French company Alcatel-Lucent were previously involved in a joint venture, but not anymore.
Alcatel Lucent make networking equipment for telephone exchanges etc, they are used a lot by broadband service providers.

And no I do not know what Samsung mean with the reference to expandable storage on the A5.
 

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Nokia bought Alcatel Lucent, so in a sense this means more pseudo-Nokia phones.
 

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Nokia bought Alcatel Lucent, so in a sense this means more pseudo-Nokia phones.
Why?
Alcetel-Lucent have been out of the mobile handset business for a while as far as I understand.
 

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Why?
Alcetel-Lucent have been out of the mobile handset business for a while as far as I understand.
Because of the Alcatel-branded TCL phones. Even more pseudo than Android Nokia phones or Lumias.
 

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Because of the Alcatel-branded TCL phones. Even more pseudo than Android Nokia phones.
Since 2005, Alcetel-Lucent have nothing to do with Alcatel-branded TCL phones.
 

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They are still called Alcatel, I don't think you get the point.
Probably not. You need to be more clear what you mean by "in a sense this means more pseudo-Nokia phones"

Pseudo-Nokia phones to me would mean Nokia allows their brand to be used on a phone that they don't actually make.
 

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I've said it before and will say it again - if a quality British designed, British manufactured phone, I would happily pay a premium, and just run Android on it.

It's a shame that nobody seems interested in doing it, or that the perceived barriers to entry are so high.
 

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Probably not. You need to be more clear what you mean by "in a sense this means more pseudo-Nokia phones"

Pseudo-Nokia phones to me would mean Nokia allows their brand to be used on a phone that they don't actually make.
If Nokia owns Alcatel, they are *in a sense* pseudo-Nokia phones.

Real Nokia phones means Nokia-engineered hardware running Nokia-engineered software built in Nokia-owned factories.
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I've said it before and will say it again - if a quality British designed, British manufactured phone, I would happily pay a premium, and just run Android on it.

It's a shame that nobody seems interested in doing it, or that the perceived barriers to entry are so high.
Why didn't you buy a Vertu then?
 

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If Nokia owns Alcatel, they are *in a sense* pseudo-Nokia phones.
Yes. But they don't. Nokia now own Alcatel-Lucent, which is a different company to Alcatel. Anyway, this is going round in circles, so I'm done.
 

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Yes. But they don't. Nokia now own Alcatel-Lucent, which is a different company to Alcatel. Anyway, this is going round in circles, so I'm done.
Lucent was bought by Alcatel and Nokia now owns the majority of Alcatel-Lucent, how is that a different company?

TCL is using the Alcatel *brand*.
 

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Fairphone 2 is releasing. Waiting for Sailfish. It would be good if it could dual boot that and Android, so that I can both upgrade my Jolla, and get rid of my Note 3 which I only need for YouTube.

Or, it would be better if the full YouTube app had to be available for all mobile platforms. Then the phone could be Sailfish-only.
 

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"Siemens" is back: Gigaset is also making mobiles now (Android)

Their first Android was actually their top consumer wireless handset, which has been selling for quite a while.
 

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Fairphone 2 is releasing. Waiting for Sailfish. It would be good if it could dual boot that and Android, so that I can both upgrade my Jolla, and get rid of my Note 3 which I only need for YouTube.

Or, it would be better if the full YouTube app had to be available for all mobile platforms. Then the phone could be Sailfish-only.
I recently heard about Puzzlephone, a modular phone from a Finnish company. It looks interesting, especially if it becomes possible to install a larger battery module.

Apparently they will be releasing a sailfish variant alongside an Android variant. Don't know if it will be dual boot though.


"Siemens" is back: Gigaset is also making mobiles now (Android)

Their first Android was actually their top consumer wireless handset, which has been selling for quite a while.
Looks good. Like that it has fingerprint sensor and sensibly big battery (3000-4000 mAh) and base storage (32gb).
 

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Gigaset also has Android and iOS docks to link smartphones to the home system.
 
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