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Even at $329, iPad mini will be the cheapest tablet that runs TABLET apps
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YES, insofar as the first few weeks when there were not many tablet apps for iPad, it was not offering much of a tablet experience at all. It was offering a bunch of blown up phone apps. And that quickly changed in a matter of months. Look where it is now.
I'm giving up on this thread guys, I can't believe I actually have to convince you all that tablet optimized 3rd party apps are a BIG DEAL.
You act like I'm a lone fanboy saying this, which is absurd. Go look on The Verge right now and read the story about the rumored 10 inch Nexus tablet. What's the number one recurring theme in the comments (by Android fans by the way)?
That a 10 inch Android tablet isn't very appealing because the apps won't take advantage of the screen size anyway. The problem with 7 inch android tablets is exacerbated even more when you move to 10 inches.
If all you're doing is using the built in browser and email, yes those are tablet optimized. But a major part of the post-PC experience is apps. And android tablets simply do not measure up when it comes to apps. Period. As a consumer, you can spend $200 on a tablet that runs blown up phone apps (with a couple exceptions like the built in apps) or you can spend $329 on a tablet that actually offers a robust marketplace of tablet apps.
I am simply repeating what I said in my original post.
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If you can't offer a good argument, just resort to ad hominem. (By the way I OWN an android tablet.)
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"What happens the day the Play Store offers more tablet-optimized apps? That day may realistically come. So according to your reasoning, does that suddenly make the iPad not a true tablet experience? Think about that."
That makes zero sense. Why would the Play store suddenly getting tablet apps change the fact that the iPad offers a plethora of great tablet apps? I can tell you're trying to make a clever argument here, but you're stretching too far and it's not making sense to me.
And the day that the play store offers more tablet-optimized apps will be a great day indeed. I would LOVE for the iPad to have some real competition. I've been waiting since honeycomb for it to happen, and it hasn't. It's always 6 months away.
I will bet you $100 fake Internet bucks that the Surface will quickly reach a good number of tablet apps way before the Play store does, despite Android having a massive head start. The Play store for tablets is that bad.
I'm giving up on you guys.
Trying to convince you that robust third party apps on tablets are a big deal is dumbfoundingly difficult. I'm watching football now.the iPad > every tablet there is. I don't care if the iPad cost $2000, I will still buy it over the Nexus 7 costing at $200.
Right OP?
Right OP?
People have given examples of argument but you change your mind on every one. First, it was there was no full size tablet apps for the Nexus. Then it was "oh well there's only a limited amount" and now it's "well the quality isn't as good as the iPad".
Stop flaming because it's starting to look insecure on your part.
The difference between iOS and Android is that Android doesn't make an arbitrary distinction between "Tablet" and "Phone" apps.
Sure, the developers of Android apps will have to think harder about making their apps resolution independent, but it's not exactly brain surgery.
Disclaimer I owned a Xoom from 2009 to 2012. Now I have an iPad 3 (which I just returned under 14 days to wait for the refresh).
Sure, the developers of Android apps will have to think harder about making their apps resolution independent, but it's not exactly brain surgery.
Disclaimer I owned a Xoom from 2009 to 2012. Now I have an iPad 3 (which I just returned under 14 days to wait for the refresh).
You're right I'm so insecure
The latter two of the three above are absolutely true (in fact, they go hand-in-hand), and I never said the first. Of course there are a few tablet apps if you count the built in ones. Big deal. You still haven't addressed my central argument: the cheapest tablet money can buy that will run tablet apps will be the iPad mini.
If your counterargument is "oh but the built-in apps are tablet optimized on Nexus 7", that's weak. An tablet OS with subpar third party apps is a huge let down. I know because I own a Fire. After being disappointed with the crummy selection of tablet apps, I rooted it and put cyanogenmod on it to get near-vanilla ICS running on it. I've spent around $50 perusing the Play Store apps and guess what? It's a huge let down. I mean its a wasteland when it comes to tablet apps. The thing is essentially a giant phone. Android is good on phones, but very disappointing on tablets.
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Ok check out this blog post straight from Google:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2012/10/building-quality-tablet-apps.html?m=1
Google themselves *do* make the distinction between tablet-optimized apps versus scaled up phone apps. They recognize that it's a problem and they're trying to put the highlight on Tiny Co for doing the right thing and actually writing Android apps *for* the tablet.
Kudos to Tiny Co and Mint.com for doing this. But the number of devs taking the initiative is few and far between. The Play store on tablets is a wasteland of phone apps right now. I hope Google can somehow encourage devs to change their ways, but it's been how long since Honeycomb was released?
Sure, it's is a big deal, but that's not what people are calling you out on. Quit using straw mans to distract from the failings of your own logic.
I can't explain it any better: your definition of a tablet experience is awfully narrow-minded, and you've taken that to mean there can be no other tablet experience unless it's one that fits your definition. It's incredible you don't see how that's a horrible point of argument. And you're wondering where the "blinded fanboyism" calls are coming from?
You even go so far as to say that before enough apps were optimized for the iPad, the iPad wasn't a tablet, or it was a tablet that didn't offer a tablet experience (how does that even make sense?). Just incredible.
If you want to say the iPad offers a better table experience, then sure (though that's debatable too, but at least your reasoning would be more logical). But you're saying more than that; you're saying it's the ONLY tablet that offers a tablet experience. Now that, sir, is absurd.
I have an iPad 3 and Nexus 7. Everyone of my favorite iPad apps are installed on the N7. All have equal graphics quality; one exception is Riptide has better graphics on the N7. The water affect on the windshield is awesome.
Because the Android apps tend to go on sale more often; I currently have 93 apps on the N7; the iPad has ~50. I rarely turn on the iPad since I got the N7.
If the iPad mini is selling for $3xx, that would further support the story of a blue-shirt Best Buy employee who said that Apple threatened to pull their products from Best Buy if they sold the N7.
So what? You can sideload Flash player easily enough, even for idiots.
Chrome doesn't support it? Well then you can get a number of different browsers, and they work perfectly with flash.
Because they dislike Apple? Apple hating aside, I don't know why anyone would pick an Android tablet over an iPad, no matter the price. iPad is simply a better product and every UI aesthetic is better on iOS. Take scrolling. The physics of how fast pages scrolls, when it slows down, stops, bounces back, was perfected since day one. On Android, you flick slightly, and it scrolls too fast and stops too suddenly. Sometimes you accidentally scroll too far, something that NEVER happens on iOS. You intuitively know exactly how to scroll to where you want because the physics is right.
But I'm getting off topic. As far as apps, many of mine are iPad exclusive (like Final Draft Writer, which I need for work). Tablet apps on Android will never look as good consistently because they are designed for a multitude of screen sizes and resolution. They can't perfect the app for one particular device. Not to mention that good apps require great developers and great developers go where the money is.
Even if all the apps you use has a good tablet version on Android, there's a chance an app you might need to use in the future is iOS exclusive. The ecosystem is just not there at this point to invest in it.
So the iPad mini was just announced...
...and I gotta say I felt totally justified when Phil Schiller was demonstrating side-by-side, app after app, the Nexus 7 right next to the iPad mini. The difference between the apps was just night and day.
I know I gained a lot of haters on this thread who wanted to paint me as someone who was absolutely out of my mind, but I think Schiller demonstrated my point perfectly: $329 is as cheap as it gets for a tablet that runs full on tablet apps instead of stretched out phone apps.
...and I gotta say I felt totally justified when Phil Schiller was demonstrating side-by-side, app after app, the Nexus 7 right next to the iPad mini. The difference between the apps was just night and day.
I know I gained a lot of haters on this thread who wanted to paint me as someone who was absolutely out of my mind, but I think Schiller demonstrated my point perfectly: $329 is as cheap as it gets for a tablet that runs full on tablet apps instead of stretched out phone apps.
...and I gotta say I felt totally justified when Phil Schiller was demonstrating side-by-side, app after app, the Nexus 7 right next to the iPad mini. The difference between the apps was just night and day.
I know I gained a lot of haters on this thread who wanted to paint me as someone who was absolutely out of my mind, but I think Schiller demonstrated my point perfectly: $329 is as cheap as it gets for a tablet that runs full on tablet apps instead of stretched out phone apps.
Maybe he should've demonstrated maps side by side.
Schiller selectively choosing individual apps to prove a point is not justification of your overly dramatic opening post. You're still wrong, you just don't have the ability to accept it. (But considering your ability to kiss your own backside does show some impressive flexibility so at least you have that to brag about.)...and I gotta say I felt totally justified when Phil Schiller was demonstrating side-by-side, app after app, the Nexus 7 right next to the iPad mini. The difference between the apps was just night and day.
I know I gained a lot of haters on this thread who wanted to paint me as someone who was absolutely out of my mind, but I think Schiller demonstrated my point perfectly: $329 is as cheap as it gets for a tablet that runs full on tablet apps instead of stretched out phone apps.
I had a Xoom, ThinkPad Tablet, Nook Color and Nook Tablet. None had many apps designed for tablets and the few that were, were of low quality design.
I still have the ThinkPad Tablet - still no worthwhile tablet apps for me.
Because you are Apple and a 50 percent profit margin is more important than quality features.
I'm gonna go ahead and agree with the OP... I have an HP Touchpad. Of course, it isn't an "Android" tablet, but I am running CM9 (Android ICS) and it runs it very well. I got the tablet for $99 when they did the Firesale. Now THAT was a steal. It still runs most everything I throw at it.
One of my biggest complaints though is the lack of tablet-optimized apps. Everytime I play with an iPad I wish I had one instead. I know that I got an amazing deal on my tablet, and the price of an iPad is still very steep for me, but the user experience on iOS is much better.
That said, I do think that Apple will be missing out on a bunch of customers who would gladly pay over $100 less for what is a very good tablet. They will still sell a bunch of them, but I think their pricing is a little on the high side.
But I have found that most of the time the "Apple Premium" is worth it, whether it comes down to user experience, stability (designing hardware and software together, not supporting hundreds of devices), or the resale value.
One of my biggest complaints though is the lack of tablet-optimized apps. Everytime I play with an iPad I wish I had one instead. I know that I got an amazing deal on my tablet, and the price of an iPad is still very steep for me, but the user experience on iOS is much better.
That said, I do think that Apple will be missing out on a bunch of customers who would gladly pay over $100 less for what is a very good tablet. They will still sell a bunch of them, but I think their pricing is a little on the high side.
But I have found that most of the time the "Apple Premium" is worth it, whether it comes down to user experience, stability (designing hardware and software together, not supporting hundreds of devices), or the resale value.