Excited to do iPad 4 returns like crazy for a good screen?

[Medic311]

while there were extreme examples of backlight bleeding and pink tint, most fell in line with what i got on my first iPad 3. many in this forum called this "acceptable". i did not find it acceptable for a $729 device from a company that prides itself on perfection. i returned it, got another and it was perfect.

i don't expect to see the wild number of returns for the iPad 4. i think there were a lot of lessons learned from this year on their end

 

[cyrways]

It's not OCD. It's called not being a sheep. For the price, you deserve the best Apple can deliver.

I am not a sheep by any means, but I simply was unaware of any issues. Of all the people I know who have them [ipad 3's] I never heard a complaint. That's not to say they don't exist or I don't acknowledge the existence of said flaws. I am a retina fanatic and can still visibly make out pixels if I so care to, but clearly I know nothing of color shifting or what have you because I always thought my screen was fantastic.

 

[HowardSmith]

I was talking about you not knowing what OCD is when you said that those people were OCD. I guess it went right over your head.

No it did not but my response went over yours!

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Do you have a source for that statistic or did you just make it up?

You must just enjoy being combative.

To each his own.

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It's not OCD. It's called not being a sheep. For the price, you deserve the best Apple can deliver.

Unfortunately the defects we are seeing ARE the best they can deliver till they get their labor problems resolved.

 

[brand]

You must just enjoy being combative.

No just curious as to where the number came from.

Actually it is really easy, if the statistic is real provide a source if it is unsubstantiated just say so. Not being combative or argumentative. There is so much false information that people just make up on the Internet that gets passed off as fact so I was just asking for clarification.

 

[GoodBoy]

But since a good 90% of web pages are more white than not its annoying to see an obvious yellow shift towards a single corner, side, or both.

But with the 3, the screen issues were ugly, backlight bleed aside. Especially when you see two conflicting hues: green on half of the screen, pink on the other. No amount of Color Profile tweaking will iron that one out.

Guys, if you know anything about an LCD production, you should also know the problems you're describing will not go away within current technology process. Problems with different hues/tones on different areas of the screen are strictly associated with only jus one LED diode backlighting the whole screen. If the screen was backlighted from all 4 corners, none of those problems would have accured. Moreover, iPad 3 is no exeption. The same thing is with iPhones, iPod touches since 1st generation of these devices. Also, the problems you described occures on most laptop screens and average to good desktop PC monitors. It's just less noticable on them, because the screen is bigger.

So what the iPad is 499$+? It's a mass product device. So called "retina display" is just a marketing term. Besides higher than average ppi iPad's screen doesn't incorporate any special quality. They're average IPS displays at best with lots of imperfections on default, and they are not individually calibrated. Do not expect pro-quality perfect LCD in a 499$+ device in which LCD panel is just one of many components. It's got to be cheap in production. Otherwise an iPAd would start at 1000$+.

You can really save your nerves and be prepared for iPad 5,6,7 etc, because as long as there will be only 1 LED diode for backlight, the hue will be slightly different on many areas of the screen. I assume they chose only 1 diode to not only save manufacturing costs, but also to save battery consumption in already power hungry iPads. It's impossible to manufacture perfectly uniform, clouding-free, 100% perfectly even hue with just 1 LED diode. This is the number 1 reason for most of the screen issues you're describing. So if you're that picky OCDs fine be ready to swap hundreds iDevices in next generation and next and next and so on... until you find that one closest to perfection

 

[D.T.]

I returned my 3rd Gen 127 times and finally got a good one.

 

[Binarymix]

Do you have a source for that statistic or did you just make it up?

I just pulled it out my a... own past browsing experiences.

Most sites I have been to have a lot of white space. Would you agree?

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Guys, if you know anything about an LCD production, you should also know the problems you're describing will not go away within current technology process. Problems with different hues/tones on different areas of the screen are strictly associated with only jus one LED diode backlighting the whole screen. If the screen was backlighted from all 4 corners, none of those problems would have accured. Moreover, iPad 3 is no exeption. The same thing is with iPhones, iPod touches since 1st generation of these devices. Also, the problems you described occures on most laptop screens and average to good desktop PC monitors. It's just less noticable on them, because the screen is bigger.

So what the iPad is 499$+? It's a mass product device. So called "retina display" is just a marketing term. Besides higher than average dpi iPad's screen doesn't incorporate any special quality. They're average IPS displays at best with lots of imperfections on default, and they are not individually calibrated. Do not expect pro-quality perfect LCD in a 499$+ device in which LCD panel is just one of many components. It's got to be cheap in production. Otherwise an iPAd would start at 1000$+.

You can really save your nerves and be prepared for iPad 5,6,7 etc, because as long as there will be only 1 LED diode for backlight, the hue will be slightly different on many areas of the screen. I assume they chose only 1 diode to not only save manufacturing costs, but also to save battery consumption in already power hungry iPads. It's impossible to manufacture perfectly uniform, clouding-free, 100% perfectly even hue with just 1 LED diode. This is the number 1 reason for most of the screen issues you're describing. So if you're that picky OCDs fine be ready to swap hundreds iDevices in next generation and next and next and so on... until you find that one closest to perfection

I was under the impression (from what I've read on many tech sites) that the iPad 3 had 2 separate arrays of LEDs. And that the shifting was possibly due to the diffusion layer, or because some of the LEDS were just plain different colour temperatures.

Also, I had 2 iPad 2's with none of these problems. Backlight bleed, yes, uneven tints, no.

I have however noticed mild shifting on both my 4S and 5, but it's a lot less noticeable on such a small screen as compared to the iPad.

Or maybe I have super human eyesight that can see these shifts where others can not. Either way it bothers me.

 

[GoodBoy]

I was under the impression (from what I've read on many tech sites) that the iPad 3 had 2 separate arrays of LEDs. And that the shifting was possibly due to the diffusion layer, or because some of the LEDS were just plain different colour temperatures.

Maybe... One or two LED diodes whatever. It's not enough to provide absolute 100% uniformity and equal tones on the whole screen surface. All 4 corners of the screen have to be backlight to achieve that. Plus, like you say maybe they messed up with diffusion layers. Whatever the reason iPad 3 was not the first and frankly it wasn't the last with those issues. Don't expect any different in next generations. It occured in all iDevices regardless of generation and screen technology (TN, IPS). I am amazed that the thread starter is attacking only iPad 3, as if it was the first iPad with those issues... All previous generations suffered exactly the same problems.

Also, I had 2 iPad 2's with none of these problems. Backlight bleed, yes, uneven tints, no.

I have however noticed mild shifting on both my 4S and 5, but it's a lot less noticeable on such a small screen as compared to the iPad.

Or maybe I have super human eyesight that can see these shifts where others can not. Either way it bothers me.

It bothers me tooo, but I've learned to live with some minor imperfections. Otherwise I would've swapped hundreds of iDevices in hunt for the closest to perfect. I don't do this for several reasons:

- they wouldn't let me swap as many units as I'd like, and after 2-3 swaps they probably would find me being OCD and would force me to refund... not to mention the next units could've been worse than previous ones, as we all know finding "closest to flawless" is like winning a lottery ticket...
- I am aware of LCD imperfections and possible issues
- I would feel uncomfortable requesting countless swaps in search for the flawless that I already know doesn't exist.

All iPads and any other iDevices have some screen defects or issues. It's just the scale of those issues that they differ from each other. Even if some of you say that you finally got "the perfect one" it's 100% sure that you didn't. All you got are the very good units closest to perfect. There is no 100% flawless unit on the market. It's impossible given the screen technology and assembly process Apple is using in all their iPads. You just got lucky to have the iPads with minimal issues that you OCDs don't even notice.

 

[JodyK]

I agree. I went through ~9, and only one was a decent screen, but had a huge (1mm) chunk of dust. The one I have now still has yellow tinting to the top left corner, and side, but I decided to put up with it. If the 4's have perfect screens, I'm gonna be pissed.

You went through 9 returned iPads? I don't care what kind of explanations you might have on what was wrong with each you are way too picky! I have money on your unmarried or divorced.

 

[thadoggfather]

Maybe I got lucky but my iPhone 5's display is fine.

Probably honestly.

I feel lucky that my current screen is GREAT even after only a few swaps compared to iPad3.

 

[taut]

Uneven tint is really annoying

 

[Southernboyj]

Probably honestly.

I feel lucky that my current screen is GREAT even after only a few swaps compared to iPad3.

I wouldn't rule out me being lucky, but I've owned every iPhone/iPad/1 iPod Touch/and multiple Mac's. Every screen was perfect except my iPad 3 was yellow.. swapped it once and it was fine. My 15" rMBP has some *slight* image retention.