Expercom Offering MacBook Pro With Touch Bar For Up to $225 Off With AppleCare

[joshuaad]

Could you clarify why my post is wrong? I'm not big on posting because of trolls contradicting everything said, and I'm trying to figure out if you're a troll or not. So if you can answer why my post is wrong, I'm all ears. Also, if nobody cares, why are you answering? Is that part of being a troll? I'm slowly learning how these forums work.

Listen, I've mildly enjoyed myself on this thread, hence my participation in this stuck-on-repeat Apple complaints themes.

You're wrong because your statements are full of misguided assumptions and subjective opinions: "Apple is all about the money grab", "innovation does not come first at Apple any more", "Apple will lose profits because of their sales and hardware design practices"... Again, nobody cares if you buy it or not. It is selling like hot cakes as it is, creating for Apple more profits than any MBP before that. You still make the mistake of assessing value based on this or that component and what not.
Either way, you are exercising your free will to buy or not buy. As it should be. At the end of the day, should Apple lose its way and everything you said happened to be true, they'll pay the consequences - as it should be - and life will go on. But from where I'm standing, your statements are false, your conclusions inaccurate, and Steve Jobs still lives in Apple's heart. I believe TC knows better than do what you accuse them of doing. So does JI and the senior management team. Stop crying about how things were better and what not. Everything must and does change and evolve. Apple's no exception.

 

[nocturnum]

Listen, I've mildly enjoyed myself on this thread, hence my participation in this stuck-on-repeat Apple complaints themes.

You're wrong because your statements are full of misguided assumptions and subjective opinions: "Apple is all about the money grab", "innovation does not come first at Apple any more", "Apple will lose profits because of their sales and hardware design practices"... Again, nobody cares if you buy it or not. It is selling like hot cakes as it is, creating for Apple more profits than any MBP before that. You still make the mistake of assessing value based on this or that component and what not.
Either way, you are exercising your free will to buy or not buy. As it should be. At the end of the day, should Apple lose its way and everything you said happened to be true, they'll pay the consequences - as it should be - and life will go on. But from where I'm standing, your statements are false, your conclusions inaccurate, and Steve Jobs still lives in Apple's heart. I believe TC knows better than do what you accuse them of doing. So does JI and the senior management team. Stop crying about how things were better and what not. Everything must and does change and evolve. Apple's no exception.

And your comment is what? Completely non-assumptive and objective? Look in the mirror.

 

[dilutedq]

A large part of my job is CUDA application development, and the new Macs don't offer an NVIDIA GPU option.
To the few of you out there who think we are wining customers, why won't they allow NVIDIA chips? I can tell you why... the profit margin is not high enough. Apple is all about the money grab. We need Steve Jobs back who understood that innovation should come first and then the profit will follow. So instead of making a little profit from me purchasing a new laptop, now they are making $0 from me. Anyone care to counter my argument?

Yeah you have nothing to back up your statement. Jobs was purely for money grabbing. They ditched Nvidia because their mobile chips were unreliable.

 

[Feenician]

Hmm, are you one of those people that create fake facts to create controversy or anger? Steve Jobs died in 2011. My BMPr is the mid 2012 with an NVIDIA GPU. The NVIDIA was removed in 2015, 4 years after SJ passed. Please check your facts in the future.

Take a chill pill there, keyboard warrior. I was posting on the run and is it turns out I indeed misremembered. It was actually AMD that suffered the wrath of Jobs when they tipped his hand.

As for "trolls" you're on Macrumors decrying Apple to the point where you're losing it. Who's trolling who?

 

[twa440]

It was Steve who kicked NVIDIA out. They made a premature reveal and he was pissed.

Nvidia was available till early 2014

 

[Feenician]

Nvidia was available till early 2014

Reading. Not just a city in Berkshire anymore.

 

[twa440]

Reading. Not just a city in Berkshire anymore.

You lost it

 

[Feenician]

You lost it

I can only imagine this made more sense in your head.

 

[krause734]

TAKE YOUR DONGLES AND SHOVE THEM UP YOUR APPLE TIM!!!!

 

[Naraxus]

I thought Apple didn't want to make netbooks

 

[AppleMark]

A great view on the ports. However, the thing that I find really absurd is soldering the SSD. I'm still trying to get around soldering of the memory and voila, they have another such "solution" for us.

The thing that is frustrating to most of us non-buyers is that you practically buy an underpowered machine that is massively overpriced. Compromised, soldered, underpowered, overpriced ... are you getting it?

You don't need to buy it if you do not need to upgrade / want to, I did and have. Using a static 2011 iMac, previously dumping an older 13" MBP for an 11" MBA to meet my frequent light travelling requirements, this is a huge upgrade.

Every Apple device and computer from the iMac to Mac Mini to the non-Pro laptop lines have been compromised, soldered etc for years. This is Apple and how they operate to maximise re-sale / planned obsolesce and design, yet this is still the best of what they are offering right now and they are not going to change it back for you.. Yet, your next computer will be an Apple.... Right...?

I bought the maxed out 13" TOTR version of the machine, so I am not bothered as much as some. I always buy the best of what there is, as it reduces the upgrade cycle. If I owned a maxed out 2015 MBP, I would not upgrade for a long while, but then that machine never suited my needs.

.....are you getting it?

 

[nocturnum]

You don't need to buy it if you do not need to upgrade / want to, I did and have. Using a static 2011 iMac, previously dumping an older 13" MBP for an 11" MBA to meet my frequent light travelling requirements, this is a huge upgrade.

Every Apple device and computer from the iMac to Mac Mini to the non-Pro laptop lines have been compromised, soldered etc for years. This is Apple and how they operate to maximise re-sale / planned obsolesce and design, yet this is still the best of what they are offering right now and they are not going to change it back for you.. Yet, your next computer will be an Apple.... Right...?

I bought the maxed out 13" TOTR version of the machine, so I am not bothered as much as some. I always buy the best of what there is, as it reduces the upgrade cycle. If I owned a maxed out 2015 MBP, I would not upgrade for a long while, but then that machine never suited my needs.

.....are you getting it?

Not sure what to take from this, apart from your mindset of taking whatever it is offered to you. That is fine, since it looks you seem to be one of the "new breed" of Apple users (you know, the one that makes Tim and Phil very happy).

By the way things are going, I wouldn't bet on my next purchase to be Apple.

2015 MBP never suited your needs, but 2016 does? Please, tell me, I'm very curious what is the agenda behind such peculiar needs of users like you.

 

[RightMACatU]

Non US prices have gone up so much that even Black Friday / Cyber Monday deals won't be enough to suck me in.

 

[jeremy.pereira]

The New Macbook Pros are gorgeous, overpriced, and functionally limited machines that Apple should be ashamed of.

In what way are they functionally limited? I've got one and it does everything my previous MBP did.

 

[prowlmedia]

My Apple branded dvd drive for my 2013 MacBook pro is USB, my back-up drive is USB, and all of my thumb drives are USB. I also use my card reader at least once a week. Now you can add me to your block list and stick your head back in the sand.

DVD... Who give a monkeys about them these days?
USB is almost a fair point but again...they cost a few dollars.

Card readers are the only real valid point. But they are also updated every few years and inbuilt ones don't always work with the latest cards.

Bock List - no you are actually making points unlike say... user: Stevejobsmustgo

The New Macbook Pros are gorgeous, overpriced, and functionally limited machines that Apple should be ashamed of.

Blocked!
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"you can have my RS-232, Serial, 9-pins and all the other countless obsolete cables."

I must have missed the part where the UNIVERSAL serial bus standard became obsolete and stopped being used for most things as a UNIVERSAL connector...

You did... USB-1 is not compatible with USB-2.
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Now you can use the discount to buy a couple of the five adaptors you are going to need to use it....

What a Joke...
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Apple released several years ago the Thunderbolt that suppose to be the future. How many products do we have with Thunderbolt? very few... External Hard drives did not appear right away and were extremely expensive.
Now the same thing with USB-C but it is quite worst, since they removed all the other ports, thing that did not happened with Thunderbolt. Making any transition much worst...
Please let me know how many monitors, External Hardrive, TV, etc do we have with USB-C now??? none...
Even worst, they removed the Mag-safe...

Fastest growing Apple product category... Adaptors...

Reallly?? they are innovating in how many adaptors you will need in order to use a Laptop...

Sigh... you need a cable anyway... Just get the right cable. Adaptors not needed.

Intel released Thunderbolt.

There are lots of thunderbolt devices in the pro video world... and it's runs at 40gb/s vs USB3.1 at 10gb/s

The Connector is USB-C - Thundebolt 3 uses the USB-C connector.

Confusing I know... but the 15 has 4 USB-C that can connect to Thunderbolt AND USB3 ( oh and displayport / hdmi / ethernet and others )

Magsafe is a shame but a open standard power cable is a MUCH better idea!

 

[BaccaBossMC]

The first MacBook in the image is the 'Sans Touch Bar' model, which is not on 'sale'...

 

[robeddie]

Yes, there is always a choice. Not buying. Buying an older model. A desktop computer. A hackintosh.



Listen, Apple made the choices they needed to make for the goals and reasons they had. You could choose to remain frustrated or just accept and move on. In this case, I believe you're making the mistake everybody is making:

1/ Evaluating the final product based on isolated individual parts (like RAM capacity - early reports show high level performance, maintaining long battery life using the SSD to support RAM in a very effective manner - allowing the machine to execute pro tasks like nobody's business). Don't. It's a mistake. The product is greater than the sum of its parts. Cliche but true. 16 GB of RAM or XYZ spec is not the same for each individual product out there.

2/ Worrying about cost so much that it boils into anger and a vicious loop of frustration, emotional pain... despair.
Just get the best mac you can afford because that's what you want and you work hard for it and forget about tomorrow's product. You can buy it again if you feel you need or want it. Period the end. That other mental **** is not worth it. Mac's are a premium product. Accept it. However, when considering use, usefulness, total cost of ownership and a number of other factors, they're still a bargain and a blessing. If you feel differently, choose accordingly then.

Again, there's always a choice.



That's the plan. Still, you are wrong again: it won't be another old laptop. If you do feel that way, then what's the problem? Buy the old one, save yourself a bunch of money, pat yourself on the back, and move on. Skip the whining. Enjoy your new old laptop and wise decision making. It doesn't matter. Feel better.

Your response doesnt surprise me.

The reduced choices Apple now gives us for computers is fine with you, since you're fine with that choice. You're happy, so to hell with everyone else who complains.

But as they continue choking off their computer line and limiting options, I hope one day they finally remove something you always counted on and finally piss you off too. Then you would understand where the rest of us are coming from.

 

[0958400]

In reply to joshuaad:

For someone who tells everybody that they should move on, you spend and awful lot of time, going through other people's posts to tell them to get a life. (laughing out loud) Still a free country, still voicing my opinion.

 

[nofear1az]

Here on Earth, 24-32 days is ~1 month. What planet are you on?

He obviously was counting the first "shipping" days as 1 month and then the "delivery" days as another 1 month which equals 2 months. But we know that it shouldn't take another month for delivery (unless it's directly from China).

 

[AppleMark]

Not sure what to take from this, apart from your mindset of taking whatever it is offered to you. That is fine, since it looks you seem to be one of the "new breed" of Apple users (you know, the one that makes Tim and Phil very happy).

By the way things are going, I wouldn't bet on my next purchase to be Apple.

2015 MBP never suited your needs, but 2016 does? Please, tell me, I'm very curious what is the agenda behind such peculiar needs of users like you.

1. Mindset - I am not a new breed of Apple user. I have been using Apple computers since 1996 and my first was a beige box and it was not cool or trendy to use a Mac and there was very little useful software other than Quark, Photoshop.

2. My 'Agenda' - This has already been explained if you would simply read what is posted and stop being so angry over something you have no control over. Is this the problem here....? That you have no control...?

Anyway, I fly and travel a lot and the 2015 MBP was too big for me in my flight bag with all my other equipment. I wanted an MBP with a 13" screen that was around the same size as the new 12" MB (and bigger than the 11" MBA) with more power and ports. MY 11" MBA was good for portability yet too slow to be useful in the field and remote access to my Mac did not cut it. I also have access to a display when I get to my destinations. The New 12" MB which my partner owns was also too slow and is a machine that never appealed [with 1 USB-C]. The new MBP is fine [it has some faults] and all this talk about upgrading is fine, but how many people actually upgrade more than just the RAM..? In this case, just upgrade the RAM and install a 1TB like I did on purchase, or go buy a Dell if you are on Skid Row.

I am not apologising for Apple's decisions and on the whole you will find many of my posts in disagreement. However your position is a nonsense. Again, this is the best MBP they are currently making [FACT], so get over it and stop crying like baby.

3. "I am not buying" - I bet you will buy another Apple computer, people like you always do...LOL!!! Trash talk = Take my money.

Bottom line, don't like don't buy. There are many Apple products I do not care for such as iPad Pro, Apple Watch, yet you do not see me wasting so much energy, chasing down people for whom they suit for their own reasons.

Your attitude is very 'Luddite' and you need to move on. I for one need to use an Apple based computer because of the very expensive software and eco system I have invested in over the years.

If Apple gave me a choice I would choose another option, however they have not and I have chosen what suits me overall from what is available.

Based on record sales, I doubt that Apple care if you vote with your wallet and neither do I.

Have a nice day, as it seems that you really need one right now.

 

[nocturnum]

1. Mindset - I am not a new breed of Apple user. I have been using Apple computers since 1996 and my first was a beige box and it was not cool or trendy to use a Mac and there was very little useful software other than Quark, Photoshop.

2. My 'Agenda' - This has already been explained if you would simply read what is posted and stop being so angry over something you have no control over. Is this the problem here....? That you have no control...?

Anyway, I fly and travel a lot and the 2015 MBP was too big for me in my flight bag with all my other equipment. I wanted an MBP with a 13" screen that was around the same size as the new 12" MB (and bigger than the 11" MBA) with more power and ports. MY 11" MBA was good for portability yet too slow to be useful in the field and remote access to my Mac did not cut it. I also have access to a display when I get to my destinations. The New 12" MB which my partner owns was also too slow and is a machine that never appealed [with 1 USB-C]. The new MBP is fine [it has some faults] and all this talk about upgrading is fine, but how many people actually upgrade more than just the RAM..? In this case, just upgrade the RAM and install a 1TB like I did on purchase, or go buy a Dell if you are on Skid Row.

I am not apologising for Apple's decisions and on the whole you will find many of my posts in disagreement. However your position is a nonsense. Again, this is the best MBP they are currently making [FACT], so get over it and stop crying like baby.

3. "I am not buying" - I bet you will buy another Apple computer, people like you always do...LOL!!! Trash talk = Take my money.

Bottom line, don't like don't buy. There are many Apple products I do not care for such as iPad Pro, Apple Watch, yet you do not see me wasting so much energy, chasing down people for whom they suit for their own reasons.

Your attitude is very 'Luddite' and you need to move on. I for one need to use an Apple based computer because of the very expensive software and eco system I have invested in over the years.

If Apple gave me a choice I would choose another option, however they have not and I have chosen what suits me overall from what is available.

Based on record sales, I doubt that Apple care if you vote with your wallet and neither do I.

Have a nice day, as it seems that you really need one right now.

1. & 3. Unlike, say, HP ... Apple has a strong community of creatives (of which you should be aware, if you embarked in 1996). We are perfectly eligible to express our concerns, but since you advocate the "don't like, don't buy" and "record sales", which has become the standard argument of this "new breed", I'm not sure about you.

Luddite? Is that the new expression for demanding customers? I mean, if you accept everything that is offered to you, doesn't mean that those who don't are in any way "Luddite".

Trash talk? Perhaps more like a derivative of critical thinking and having certain healthy principles. At the current rate of crippling their machines, I haven't got the slightest incentive to purchase any of their products. That's also why I burned another 2k on my Mac Pro this year.

2. I'm not angry at all, perhaps a bit stingy. But you don't seem to have grasped my point and that's fine.

Anyway, enjoy your new MBP. I hope it makes your flying lighter and thinner. ;-)

 

[AppleMark]

1. & 3. Unlike, say, HP ... Apple has a strong community of creatives (of which you should be aware, if you embarked in 1996). We are perfectly eligible to express our concerns, but since you advocate the "don't like, don't buy" and "record sales", which has become the standard argument of this "new breed", I'm not sure about you.

Luddite? Is that the new expression for demanding customers? I mean, if you accept everything that is offered to you, doesn't mean that those who don't are in any way "Luddite".

Trash talk? Perhaps more like a derivative of critical thinking and having certain healthy principles. At the current rate of crippling their machines, I haven't got the slightest incentive to purchase any of their products. That's also why I burned another 2k on my Mac Pro this year.

2. I'm not angry at all, perhaps a bit stingy. But you don't seem to have grasped my point and that's fine.

Anyway, enjoy your new MBP. I hope it makes your flying lighter and thinner. ;-)

I grasped your point, but did not agree, I think you continue to miss my point. I 'needed' a new [laptop] MBP that suited my needs and I bought it. I was not forced to buy it and did not just take what I was offered. I bought what was needed and aware I cannot upgrade the RAM and HD and so maxed it out. I did not want, the 2015 MPB [but needed one that was updated] as discussed.

The next machine, or device that I may 'need' will likely be further compromised, they always are in some way, either to force a design, or standard on the customer to suit the needs of the supplier. However I cannot find another Laptop that meets my needs better than this right now.

Yes we all like a moan, but some battles are always going to be losing ones, with a corporation looking after it's shareholders and not it's customers. Apple is not the company it once pretended to be...[I never bought into the hippy thing..] ;-) It has become much more visibly and unashamedly corporate and more than what it disliked in Microsoft IMO.

But hey.., I am very much enjoying my crippled laptop indeed and will fly out next week for a 4 day job and very much looking forward to it.

 

[joshuaad]

In reply to joshuaad:

For someone who tells everybody that they should move on, you spend and awful lot of time, going through other people's posts to tell them to get a life. (laughing out loud) Still a free country, still voicing my opinion.

I don't tell them to get a life. I tell them to get real and stop whining. Better yet, focus their energy to make the money they don't want to spend so it becomes a non-issue. As far as spending time reading posts, I find it entertaining some days. You really won't see a lot of posts from me even though I've been a macrumors reader for many, many years.
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Your response doesnt surprise me.

The reduced choices Apple now gives us for computers is fine with you, since you're fine with that choice. You're happy, so to hell with everyone else who complains.

But as they continue choking off their computer line and limiting options, I hope one day they finally remove something you always counted on and finally piss you off too. Then you would understand where the rest of us are coming from.

Listen, I get pissed off often enough. It just doesn't accomplish anything much of the time. Sometimes, getting pissed off becomes the energy for real, useful change.

I don't see where the new MBP is limited. Too, there will be myriads of USB-C devices. Now, a decent multi-port dock will do. Or if your needs are limited, just a dongle or 2. Then there's the upgradeability. No more. Oh well. When it's time, sell one laptop by another. So it really is only ONE problem: it costs too much. Now, that's in the perspective. In my experience, my Apple devices are multiple times more useful AND they last much longer. So, the value is there in spades as I see it. So, yes, it costs money. I wouldn't mind if I could get the SAME value for less money, but it's not possible (as I see it). So then, what's the problem? I don't really buy that much stuff, but I like to buy what I want and like. I like "great" stuff. If I don't need it, don't want it, don't care enough, I just forget about it (and save enough money for the real good stuff). The other benefit of spending significant effort or money towards something one wants is we appreciate it so much more. Win, win. ^_-

Finally, much of the complaints here are uninformed. In a few months when many new owners of the 2016 MBP report in and many reviews are in, we can revisit what's what, and what Apple should have done different. Trust me, they will do it different if it doesn't sell and lost of negative feedback comes pouring in. I don't even have mine yet! I've played with it in the store and mostly I trust based on my past experiences with Apple products. Simple.

 

[robeddie]

I don't tell them to get a life. I tell them to get real and stop whining. Better yet, focus their energy to make the money they don't want to spend so it becomes a non-issue. As far as spending time reading posts, I find it entertaining some days. You really won't see a lot of posts from me even though I've been a macrumors reader for many, many years.
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Listen, I get pissed off often enough. It just doesn't accomplish anything much of the time. Sometimes, getting pissed off becomes the energy for real, useful change.

I don't see where the new MBP is limited. Too, there will be myriads of USB-C devices. Now, a decent multi-port dock will do. Or if your needs are limited, just a dongle or 2. Then there's the upgradeability. No more. Oh well. When it's time, sell one laptop by another. So it really is only ONE problem: it costs too much. Now, that's in the perspective. In my experience, my Apple devices are multiple times more useful AND they last much longer. So, the value is there in spades as I see it. So, yes, it costs money. I wouldn't mind if I could get the SAME value for less money, but it's not possible (as I see it). So then, what's the problem? I don't really buy that much stuff, but I like to buy what I want and like. I like "great" stuff. If I don't need it, don't want it, don't care enough, I just forget about it (and save enough money for the real good stuff). The other benefit of spending significant effort or money towards something one wants is we appreciate it so much more. Win, win. ^_-

Finally, much of the complaints here are uninformed. In a few months when many new owners of the 2016 MBP report in and many reviews are in, we can revisit what's what, and what Apple should have done different. Trust me, they will do it different if it doesn't sell and lost of negative feedback comes pouring in. I don't even have mine yet! I've played with it in the store and mostly I trust based on my past experiences with Apple products. Simple.

Well said.

But here's the problem: It will probably sell ok. Why is that a problem you ask? Because the people this laptop is selling to are the newer apple consumers. People who just got on board with the release of the 4th iphone or the apple watch. Good for them.

But ... there is a core group, a passionate group, a very LARGE group, a group of us who have been loyal to Apple for 10, 20, even 30 years (my case in fact), who simply want the most powerfully awesome, upgradable OSX hardware money can buy. Most of us would probably spend a TON of benjamins for that.

Instead we get this unecessarily thin, thermally throttled, port limted, over-sized trackpad, non-upgradable piece of art.

And NOTHING ELSE!

It's like having a 30 year marriage with someone you love blown up when you seen the note of the pillow "I've had my liposuction, now I'm done with you".

Now sure, you can call it silly to couch this in such emotional terms, but for many of us, we have relied on Apple, Loved their products, Depended on their stuff for so many things we do in our lives. To realize it's gone now ... well ---- yeah, it's going to be a very very hard breakup indeed.

 

[762-MM]

Anyone else get this message from Expercom?

• We have just been notified by Apple that all MB Pro units with 4GB graphics are delayed. Your new estimated shipping date is between 12/28/16-1/8/17. We are working with Apple to fill your order as soon as possible and will keep you updated as we get news from Apple.

I got the message last week…just curious if anyone else has had a similar delay. It's not that big of a deal for me. I cancelled my Apple order a couple weeks ago and reordered through Expercom ($540 total savings [tax and discount] was worth resetting the delivery clock for me).

For reference, machine/order configuration: 15"MBP/2.9/1TB/460-4