Experience with Mail.app

johndoe123abc

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Jul 10, 2012
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Hey,

Can people report on their general experience with Mail.app and iCloud?

One of the things that infuriates me on Mavericks is how long connecting to the server to either send or receive email takes unless I use a public DNS service e.g. Google or UltraDNS.

Connecting to the same iCloud email account on an iPhone / iPad on the same WiFi network is practically instant, but sadly not on a Mac.

Anyone else with this problem able to report whether it has been solved?

Thanks!
 

cocky jeremy

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Jul 12, 2008
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The only difference I've seen so far, other than visual, is not having to type in my stupid iCloud password every other time I open Mail.app, which is good enough for me. lol. :D
 

tedson

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Jul 17, 2002
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Mail much worse in Yosemite

I use mail with Yahoo, Fastmail, and iCloud servers. Prior to 10.10 I never had any problem; now I get all sorts of problems.

1. When I delete junk mail using Cmd-Option-J the junk mail is deleted from the server but is still displayed in the Junk folder until I switch to any other folder then back again.

2. Fastmail use to work really well with Mail, now when I delete a message in my In Box the message reappears. I have to quit Mail and restart for it it reflect the correct state.

I'm hoping the problems are only in the first Developer Preview and get fixed soon. If the problems are still there in the release version in the Fall, I will have to look for a new email client.
 

kuwxman

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Jul 25, 2009
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I'd love to test the Mail app out, but it's POP bug is keeping me from doing so. Oh well, maybe the next DP.
 

Porsupah

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For me, with mostly GMail accounts coming in (though I'm hoping to migrate away in the coming months), the issue's been simply not receiving mail - a modest issue for a mail client. It will continue to receive email for minutes to hours, and then nothing more, until Mail's restarted, whereupon all the new messages are finally downloaded.

This appeared first in 10.9.1 or so, but has become far worse in Yosemite - under Mavericks, it might flake out after a day or two, whereas in 10.10b1, I've simply reverted to quitting and restarting Mail whenever I feel like checking for new messages.
 

8CoreWhore

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Jan 17, 2008
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Big D
My Mail.app refuses to accept my settings. I reproduced everything from 10.9 and it can't send mail, only receive. Keeps asking for username or password. I put installed Sparrow - bam, everything works.
 

d21mike

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Jul 11, 2007
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The Mail.app crashes a lot when I try to do a reply while on my desktop. On my Macbook air it seems to be better. So could be some kind of install conflict. Planning to wait for DP2 to see if things are better.
 

admmasters

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Jul 26, 2010
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London
Awful still with Exchange. Having to use the web client... :-( Mail appears on iOS devices and Nexus (I'm a dev) instantly yet there is a pause before it is received on Yosemite. Also it crashes a lot. Can't see why they can't rebase this from the iOS app as that has pretty much spot on Exchange Mail handling. :mad:
 

aldoF

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Apr 16, 2011
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mail.app is awesome looking, but mine (using same exact imap settings as 10.9) refuses to send out messages and would occasionally do so after getting out and back in, finally switched to outlook for the time being, no biggie.
 

KALLT

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Sep 23, 2008
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Federighi said they focussed on the 'basics'. What has changed exactly, other than the features he demonstrated?
 

mrmomoman

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Jun 20, 2011
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Mail.app is DOG SLOW!! I think it's the GPU Driver. If I open it, it just slows down the entire machine. Not sure if I can modify a kext to help out the driver. Close it and the system works much better. I loaded up Mail Pilot and Outlook 2011 and it works just fine for now.

Chrome is more stable than Safari at the moment.
 

johndoe123abc

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Original poster
Jul 10, 2012
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Thanks for all the feedback. I wonder if anyone out there though has some specific experience with iCloud server connections? Rather experienced the bug I did in 10.9?
 

haravikk

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May 1, 2005
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Disappointing to hear so many people having trouble with Mail; I always want to just be able to use Mail, but always end up moving to something else because for an OS that prides itself on stability it is one of the most unstable mail clients I've ever used; I don't use plugins with mail, but I do have six different mail accounts and more than 30,000 archived messages, okay so maybe I can understand why a program could have trouble with that, with modern databases and techniques it shouldn't cause Mail as much trouble as it does.

Anyway, I hope everyone encountering problems is remembering to send in their crash reports and/or file bugs at http://bugreport.apple.com, hopefully with enough people turning in their problems, Apple might actually get some developers to concentrate on making Mail as good as they claimed on stage. After all, to me "focusing on the basics" means "making sure e-mail actually works" ;)
 

d21mike

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Jul 11, 2007
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Anyway, I hope everyone encountering problems is remembering to send in their crash reports
FYI....

Mail quit unexpectedly.

"Click Reopen to open the application again. This report will be sent to Apple automatically."

So no need to send in their crash reports ....
 

aldoF

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Apr 16, 2011
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mail.app on DP1 had stopped sending out emails for me (3 imap accounts) had to restart it multiple times and it would send at times others not. I'm back up and running after installing DP2, very happy
 

7enderbender

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May 11, 2012
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Wow, this is kind of shocking to read. Mail should be one of the things that Apple should actually be working on rather than spending time and resources on stupid design and layout decisions.

I never actually used Mail on my Mac since I got it since it doesn't work reliably with Exchange servers. And why do I rent an Exchange server these days in the first place? Because that was necessary to make my own personal mail domain work on my iPhone (after years of easy to use and reliable push mail on my Blackberry) - because stupid iCloud mail just couldn't do it right.

So now I'm paying extra and still have to use Outlook so that mail synchronizes correctly. You gotta be kidding me. And now I read here that in flashy new Yosemite we may be going from bad to worse. Calling BS on that.
 

satcomer

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Feb 19, 2008
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mail.app on DP1 had stopped sending out emails for me (3 imap accounts) had to restart it multiple times and it would send at times others not. I'm back up and running after installing DP2, very happy
You could always go into your Mail's Preferences and check the settings for the incoming and SMTP server settings. It seems the auto server function defaults for the most secure encryption to the email servers and most servers haven't that security up yet. So you might would have to tweet the server setting on a lot of auto-completes in Mail.
 

aldoF

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Apr 16, 2011
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mail settings were identical to pre DP1 so not sure that this was the case. In any event, no changes were made to mail settings between DP1 & DP2 so have to assume the new release solved my problem, I have two more machines with the same issue so will update and test tonight
 

d21mike

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Jul 11, 2007
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The Mail.app crashes a lot when I try to do a reply while on my desktop. On my Macbook air it seems to be better. So could be some kind of install conflict. Planning to wait for DP2 to see if things are better.
I had GPGMail installed on my desktop and not my Macbook Air. That was the reason for the crashes on the desktop when doing a "reply".
 

NJRonbo

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Jan 10, 2007
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I have a love/hate relationship with Mail.app

Clearly, it's the best Mail app out there as far as performance and dependability.

However, graphically, it stinks.

AirMail is an incredible alternative. The problem with AirMail is that the damn thing has been in beta for nearly two years and it still is buggy. I still cannot use it as a replacement for Apple Mail.

Maildrop is another promising Mail app on the horizon, but it's not quite there yet either.
 

zen

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Jun 26, 2003
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I have a love/hate relationship with Mail.app

Clearly, it's the best Mail app out there as far as performance and dependability.

However, graphically, it stinks.

AirMail is an incredible alternative. The problem with AirMail is that the damn thing has been in beta for nearly two years and it still is buggy. I still cannot use it as a replacement for Apple Mail.

Maildrop is another promising Mail app on the horizon, but it's not quite there yet either.
It is actually amazing that there are no great mail apps available. There are some good ones (AirMail, Postbox), but each has its own problems. So, Apple Mail it is.

I've found in Yosemite that Apple Mail is not learning junk mail. I've turned the filter off completely, as I was spending more time marking and unmarking junk/not junk mail manually.
 
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