Workers are killed and injured and the headline reads of production loss. :/ Something not right here.
Actually I read the headline as they have shut the polishing lines. As in they are valuing worker safety.
Workers are killed and injured and the headline reads of production loss. :/ Something not right here.
Yeah, it's not like a large corporation has ever let people die (or destroyed other industries) in order to save some money.And yes, you are right when somebody opens a factory, they have a meeting and ask each department head how many people they think would be okay to die, if they put in smaller ventilators with less horsepower.
Then they proceed to even go under the death estimates and make sure it's allocated evenly per month.
Geez, talk about no knowledge of production!
Yeah, it's not like a large corporation has ever let people die (or destroyed other industries) in order to save some money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinkley_groundwater_contamination
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez_oil_spill
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill
I'm sure what we really need is less regulation so that management can get right on these problems, unfettered by big, bad government.![]()
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Then you've got some serious reading to do. PG&E for example, paid $295 million plus another $20 million in damages precisely because there was proof that they cynically planned to let people die rather than spend a few million on cleaning up their act.My point is that union workers would not have prevented this disaster and that nobody cynically plans deaths.
And one more thing:Much of what engineers dream up is working in theory, installed, tested and works fine initially. Management gets an estimate, asks for savings and will in most instances only implement the minimum demanded by law.
Wow, I can't believe how greedy and selfish people are these days... Whining and moaning about loss of production when people were injured and killed in this tragic explosion...
Oh Mr. Jobs, I'm so sorry that you'll loose 500,000 units this quarter... I know that's going to suck, 500,000 x $250 profit per unit... Oops you just lost 125 million... Which on a per share basis equates to about 1 cent... So sorry.
How about when upper management is imprisoned for this crime? And yes, this is a crime. Proper ventilation and filtration systems are available, and the knowledge to use them is not only widely available but the responsibility of management. Failing to use them is not an accident.And when exactly should we move on?
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There is no way such an incident foes not affect total numbers. They are already running full tilt as it is.
The Chinese should be furious such an explosion has occurred. This kind of thing is what drove unions to form in the USA in the 1930s: worker safety and working conditions.
And one more thing:
This is not an engineering problem, nor is any accident at a production facility. All accidents at all factories are the direct responsibility of upper management. It's their job to produce and produce safely.
You've got two possible checks against management abuse/ineptitude: government and workers. If workers aren't unionized they're easier to replace and have little to protect them if they challenge management's poor decisions. So I guess if you're against unions you want Big Government, right? No, I'll bet you want neither. Just let management do what it wants and all will be well...![]()
The engineering is not at fault: there are well known procedures and widely available tools for dealing with the issue. These have been well engineered and will work, but only if applied. That's a management problem.How is this not an engineering problem?
Where is the cutoff on our grief for people we don't know, and never would have known?Wow, I can't believe how greedy and selfish people are these days... Whining and moaning about loss of production when people were injured and killed in this tragic explosion...
Oh Mr. Jobs, I'm so sorry that you'll loose 500,000 units this quarter... I know that's going to suck, 500,000 x $250 profit per unit... Oops you just lost 125 million... Which on a per share basis equates to about 1 cent... So sorry.
I don't think you can truly grieve for them, but you should grieve for a system that allows others to profit by putting them in a needlessly life ending situation.Where is the cutoff on our grief for people we don't know, and never would have known?
That's incredibly dumb. Union members would have been the people working with the stuff and they would see the problem building over time. Not only would they have the expertise, but being union, they'd be less afraid to speak up about it than a non union worker who is afraid they'd lose their job.
Taking precautions to not jeopardize profits means that the company can and will calculate how many deaths they can get away with before spending money on proper safety equipment and procedures.
You need to wake up and realize that while the profit motive has many benefits it also has its dark side.
Nobody's saying unions are perfect. They're just one of a very few counterbalances to management greed. Sure, there are and will be examples of union greed/excess, but they pale in comparison to Wall Street bankers, Enron, Exxon, BP, the Savings and Loan execs, etc... the list goes on and on.Union workers ....expertise?
PLEASE. Union workers are some of the laziest workers out there. They have sooo many safety nets covering their asses they can afford to be lazy. They do as LITTLE as possible while maintaining the situation and their own outrageous paychecks.
Sure a company may take in account a few deaths, and see if it is something manageable, but when it becomes a issue of workers taking on that responsibility the results are even more disasterous. I understand the need for workers to protect their rights, but those days are long gone. Maybe not in China, but we seen what unions have done to this country *cough*detroit*cough*, they outsourced everything, and China will not allow that to happen with them. All the unions care about is how much money they can leech on real hard workers. ****ing cess pit.
Nobody's saying unions are perfect. They're just one of a very few counterbalances to management greed. Sure, there are and will be examples of union greed/excess, but they pale in comparison to Wall Street bankers, Enron, Exxon, BP, the Savings and Loan execs, etc... the list goes on and on.
Oh, and unions don't have the authority to outsource jobs. That's done by management.
Wow. That's a pretty big dent in production.
Wow, I can't believe how greedy and selfish people are these days... Whining and moaning about loss of production when people were injured and killed in this tragic explosion...
Oh Mr. Jobs, I'm so sorry that you'll loose 500,000 units this quarter... I know that's going to suck, 500,000 x $250 profit per unit... Oops you just lost 125 million... Which on a per share basis equates to about 1 cent... So sorry.
Well, they are! That's why Capitalism is the best economic system available. The big problem is that many so-called "conservative" people take it as a given that just because it's the best system it must be perfect... that it won't devolve into feudalism if left completely alone.There's one theme running through this: humans are selfish bastards.
In addition to the fact that iFans just love to fight.There's one theme running through this: humans are selfish bastards.
Actually I read the headline as they have shut the polishing lines. As in they are valuing worker safety.