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Extended iTunes Store Song Samples Held Up Over Licensing Issues

i am so glad that i can listen to a full album in a cd store! why didn't they limit it to 30 seconds there too? or limit it to 15 or even 5 seconds? oh are we glad, that we can hear something at all in advance!?

however, the last keynote squeezed in 180 seconds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUUnqP5RiBI -- have fun! ;-)
 
iBryton said:
WHY ARE THEY REFUSING APPLE BUT LETTING THE PREVIEW FOR THE WHOLE SONG FROM ZUNE?
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Zune Pass is a streaming service. "Previewing" a full song and streaming the song are no different.

iTunes is not a streaming service. Previewing a full song for free and buying it to have forever are different.
 
honestly i think apple should work on extending the previews to tv shows 30 seconds is not not enough to decide if you like it or not. Maybe 4-5 mins of the tv show to see if we like the plot.

I can find any song i want on grooveshark.com and see if i like it before i buy it on itunes. Infact i normally hear all my music somewhere else then i go to itunes to get it for my ipod.
 
Cydonia said:
You want to preview the full song?

Easy just DL it from a P2P site, listen then go buy it from iTunes. Then delete the P2P track and… oh hmmmm.
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P2P song downloads are usually crap. People who spend a lot of time trying to hoard free music do not usually care about the quality.
 
The funny thing is, the record industry thinks iTunes and digital music is the reason for its financial loss, but they don't realize that it's in fact them who just refuse to fully adapt to the digital age.

If I were to assume, I'd say that 50% of people illegally download, 30% actually buy CDs mixed or iTunes, and 20% do both. But in this age, there's no reason to spend $15 on a physical CD when you can spend individual bucks on the songs you actually care about, right from your home.

And besides, people will want to listen to full songs before they purchase, and they will go to Youtube or some other free source to do so. Why not direct this traffic to iTunes, where the possibility for purchase actually exists?

You need to adapt to survive.
 
ten-oak-druid said:
P2P song downloads are usually crap. People who spend a lot of time trying to hoard free music do not usually care about the quality.
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I would modify that a bit

People who d/l music don't care too much about quality. People who use P2P or record realtime off sample sites or, say, YouTube videos, don't care about their time. The music may be "free" that way, but I know, personally, it's not worth wasting my time searching it out. It's literally less expensive to just buy the song or album.

I still buy CDs because lossy 256 just doesn't do it for me at full price. Ironically, you can often get CDs for less than the d/l price.
 
This is Stupid!

This is such stupid Sh**t do these various organizations that represent music rights want to sell music or not?! A 90 or even 60 second song sample will ultimately sell more music and will result in consumers who are happier with their purchases and will be more likely to buy more music from that artist again. I have a number of songs I've purchased in my collection that I based on a 30 second snippet that I'm not happy with. 30 seconds is not long enough!
 
Chupa Chupa said:
I would modify that a bit

People who d/l music don't care too much about quality. People who use P2P or record realtime off sample sites or, say, YouTube videos, don't care about their time. The music may be "free" that way, but I know, personally, it's not worth wasting my time searching it out. It's literally less expensive to just buy the song or album.

I still buy CDs because lossy 256 just doesn't do it for me at full price. Ironically, you can often get CDs for less than the d/l price.
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I've noticed that time issue too. Its just not worth my time hunting around trying to find that quality copy of a song out there for free somewhere. If it takes 10 minutes, when I could have spent $0.99 then I've saved a little under $6 an hour. But I could have used that time doing other things.

I think for some people its not really about the music or the movie but the fun in hunting down these free things on-line and building this massive library of media that will hardly be used. The thrill of the hunt.

I usually buy CDs too. I download single songs if I don't want the full album. The download has taken the place of the old 45rpm singles for me.
 
just play it on pandora, slacker or youtube and then buy it if you like it

this is just filler news on a slow apple news month until october
 
Listening to it somewhere else and then buying it from itunes does not solve the issue. For example, I have a song from an album and the video released for that song has an extra verse. There are several versions all labeled as different types of remixes of the song in the itunes store and since the sample is only 30 seconds I cannot for the life of me figure out which one it is I should buy.

I have also mistakenly bought a version of a song with a completely different hook than the one I was looking for. iTunes did refund my money on that.
 
I'm always very suspicious of rumors that purport to explain why a previous rumor did not actually come to pass. Especially when they come from the same source as the original rumor.
 
Stop being such fascists u filthy dogs and let things evolve the way they should. They make themselves sound like an industry ready to collapse. What is it with all these unions and organizations and rights management groups just to sell a damn song. Wake up and face the new century ffs.
 
Pretty much the most retarded thing ever imo.

I mean let folks listen to the whole song at least once.

This is the new radio and radio always played entire songs (ok sometimes edited down in length or djs talk over it or faded out a bit early etc, but you get the point.)

Also why the feck can LaLa let me play entire songs multiple times and iTunes is hung up over the rights? Did La La get some special deal?

Anyway tie it to a credit-card backed itunes account and let people listen to a song once or twice in its entirety.

If I'm discovering music then 30 seconds ain't enough. Idiots.
 
Apple needs to start marketing new bands. It would also be cool if they were to provide studio time to unsigned bands with talent. Next, they could provide a service that helps bands book gigs.

I don't think there is anything a label can do that Apple can't do better. Google and Microsoft can do the same thing to provide competition.
 
Some companies just don't make sense to me, previewing 60 seconds sounds like a good idea to me. Countless times I am not satisfied with 30 seconds because iTunes seems to place the preview section at a mostly blank or quiet section of the song.

I quite often preview the song on Youtube now. Although Spotify has cut a huge hole in my iTunes downloading. For Americans out there it is Europes major music streaming program, I pay £10 a month to be able to listen to as much music as possible, even being able to store the data on the machine to enable you to listen to your playlists when not connected to the internet.

If iTunes went this way I'd probably switch over in a heartbeat.

Sorry, went off on a tangent there, for me, a 1 minute preview means less hassle and speeds up the time it takes for me to be persuaded to download a song. I really cant see why record companies are getting their knickers in a twist over this.
 
As someone here that knows people in the Music industry who will be surprised on how many old people in charge despises Apple and the iTunes Music Store. They all feel resentment toward Apple because apple thought of the digital music sale to stem music pirating before any of the any of them did. Plus now they all got in their heads that Apple's iTunes has grown to big and they want to do anything to take iTunes Music down. Hence the sweet deals at Amazon and a lot of smaller music subscription service, given almost freely away (lower prices )by the RIAA.

IMHO it could be cause for a DOJ antitrust investigation. :rolleyes:
 
iSee said:
I'm always very suspicious of rumors that purport to explain why a previous rumor did not actually come to pass. Especially when they come from the same source as the original rumor.
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Good point, there. I guess because we're not gonna get anymore big product announcements from Apple for a while, we're just pouring over things, which, in the larger scheme of things, aren't that important, like this or the new iTunes logo.
 
AlphaBob said:
Record labels think they are in the music business. They aren't. They are in the licensing, distribution, production and promotion business.
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Actually, I'm pretty sure they do realize that. That's why they've been fighting Apple and other internet distribution this whole time. It's consumers who don't realize that record companies aren't in the music business.
 
anonicon said:
It seems some people around here need to go back to school to learn how to improve their reading comprehension.

This licensing issue has nothing to do with the major labels. None whatsoever.

It has everything to do with BMI and the NMPA, as a couple of educated posters previously pointed out.
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What does BMI (Body Mass Index) and this group have to do with licensing? They are not the license holder, the lablels are.
;)
 
aristotle said:
What does BMI (Body Mass Index) and this group have to do with licensing? They are not the license holder, the lablels are.
;)
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labels don't control all the music. some things like public performance are controlled by ASCAP and other associations
 
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