External Monitor for MacBook Air ...

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  1. entatlrg macrumors 68040

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    I'm so hooked on my new MBA I can't stop using it as my main pc ... the HP desktop and the T500 is collecting dust...

    There will come a point when I want to hook up to an external monitor ... I looked at the 24" ACD's today I was surprised how large the screen was.

    Does anyone use the 24" ACD as a main monitor for typing, designing email, surfing etc, do you use it on a desk or sit far away from it. Even the Apple rep in the store said it's best to be 4 or 5' back from the 24" and recommended the 20" ... I'm thinking the 24" is a little big to have on a desk and sit close to as a main monitor.

    Any thought's/opinions appreciated.
     
  2. hayduke macrumors 65816

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    I sit close to a 30" all day and I love it. I don't see how you'd be disappointed unless it was too expensive for you or you got 30" envy. Sitting 4-5' back is nonsense. He Apple dude probably works for Dell at night...
     
  3. bossxii macrumors 68000

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    Ditto.. use MBA with 24" ACD and love it. No way you could sit 4' back and read the text and no point. People sit close to 30, 36" TV's using them as monitors, I find I turn the brightness down a bit since it is putting out some light but love the setup and ease of connection.
     
  4. entatlrg thread starter macrumors 68040

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    I have a 37" Pansonic Vierra TV hooked up to my HP as a second monitor and I definitely prefer to sit back 6' or so. Yet I have a 24" HP w2408h and I don't mind sitting close to it at my desk....

    However, at the Apple Store I found the 24" looked really big, mind you it was bright as hell and I never did turn it down, I should of asked him to do that but he was more concerned with talking me into buying the 20" for office work and sitting directly in front of at a desk...

    In his words "that's waaaaaay to big to have sit in front of you at a desk, for that you need the 20" unless you're watching movies all the time or gaming at a distance ..." Can't say I disagreed with him at the time, it does look big at least at high brightness in the store ...

    I'd like a 24" for sure, it's beautiful, but I don't want it sitting a chair-desk distance away and feel it's too large. Don't get me wrong, I like big I have a 65" Panasonic Vierra and the 37" Vierra on the side credenza at my desk, I like it for entertainment but for work/writing I find it too large/too close...

    Yet, it looks like a lot of people have the 24" ACD hooked up to their MBA's right?
     
  5. NorCalLights macrumors 6502a

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    I have a 24" Dell monitor that I sit 24" away from every day. The edges of the display are just about at the edge of my peripheral vision so it's perfect for me. I can see everything without moving my neck.

    I don't think the guy at the apple store understood what you were asking. Get the 24" display and be happy.
     
  6. Scottsdale macrumors 601

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    I have a rev B MBA with SSD. I am absolutely amazed at the instant desktop it becomes by plugging it into the new 24" LED ACD.

    I bought the ACD shortly after the MBA, it is absolutely PERFECT for the MBA. It is like a docking station. It has the power for the MBA right with it. Leave your peripherals like wireless KB and mouse at the desk with 24" ACD. Also, plug in all USB peripherals to the back of the Display. Then, leave your MBA's power charger in your laptop bag. It absolutely works PERFECT together. How can you not buy the 24" ACD.

    It is truly amazing that the little MBA can power it, seem like a desktop, a powerful and speedy desktop. So, turn your MBA, the most portable Mac, into an extremely powerful desktop instantly. I highly recommend it.

    Best wishes.
     
  7. tubbymac macrumors 65816

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    I have a 24 inch on my desk and you can sit really close or back up quite a bit. It's extremely flexible, won't cause you to go cross eyed or anything, and as usual is completely opposite to what the Apple reps say. I find them fairly useless. I'd prefer if they never spoke at all when I bought stuff from the store as they are wrong most of the time.
     
  8. uniforms macrumors regular

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    Love my 24 ACD

    I have the Air SSD B and I use the ACD when home. I LOVE IT!!!!!!! Like some other comments posted here, the two work flawlessly together. I also got the Pantone Huey for color on both displays. It works great. I highly recommend the 24 inch display. One you get use to it the size won't mean a thing.
     
  9. ducatidoc macrumors regular

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    same for me, cant say enough about the mba/24" acd combo
     
  10. entatlrg thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Thanks everyone for the replies.

    I woke up this morning, had my coffee, sat down to read a little on the forum, read the replies to this post and promptly went out and bought my 24" ACD !!

    Have it set up now, you're right the size is perfect, it hooks up beautifully to my MBA, I couldn't be happier.

    I bought the wireless keyboard as well, it's okay so far, have to get more used to it I think, it's a little different than typing on the air, less key travel maybe?

    Didn't buy the mighty mouse, reading here it's not so popular so I'm using my Microsoft 8000 BT mouse.

    The monitor has to be one of the clearest I've ever seen, thanks again for the advice here, it helped.

    Also, I see no need to go out and buy an iMac now ... my Air and the ACD will handle 90% of my work. I'll use the HP desktop as it is for torrent downloads and running any windows app's I need to run... Sounds like my System is complete ! Next is to set up wife with a newer system ... will be more difficult, she's OS X nervous but loves my Air, her LG P300 has it's quirks so it's Apple shopping for her next
     
  11. Maks macrumors member

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    A 1.86GHz machine w/2G of RAM and essentially a 120G HD no matter which one you choose as "extremely powerful" in the year 2009? :rolleyes:

    The MBA is a great portable machine, but to consider it as an extremely powerful desktop is madness. I wouldn't even consider my 2.5 GHz Macbook Pro in the extreme category of power.
     
  12. entatlrg thread starter macrumors 68040

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    for its size it sure is snappy ... powerful enough to handle most tasks, incredible !
     
  13. Maks macrumors member

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    Yes, but does that make it an extremely powerful desktop? No.
     
  14. Scottsdale macrumors 601

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    I am pretty sure my MBA with 1.86 GHz will OUTPERFORM your MBP! In fact, I guarantee it. The thing is the SSD makes up for the speed differences of the 1.86 GHz. I have a 2.4 GHz MB with 4 GB RAM and 7200 RPM HDD. I have a 2.33 GHz MBP with 4 GB RAM, and 7200 rpm HDD... NEITHER can touch the MBA.

    Go look at some xBench marks for the difference between your MBP and my MBA. And then go ahead and tell me how stupid I am again.

    I can boot in less than 25 seconds. My MBA opens apps INSTANTLY. I guarantee you that you misunderstand the capabilities of the rev B MBA with 1.86 GHz CPU and a 128 GB SSD. Maybe buy yourself an SSD for your MBP, then you may have a chance...

    LMAO... really don't get the SSD speed differences? LOL
     
  15. SFStateStudent macrumors 604

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    -1 ^^^ Oh yeah, well my Mac Pro 3.0 can take your MBAir 1.86 any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Just reminds me of those days in the sandbox when we'd brag that my Dad can beat up your Dad... lol :D
     
  16. Scottsdale macrumors 601

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    The point isn't my Mac beats your Mac.

    The point is another "unaware" poster yapping about my statement.

    So no not a sandbox moment but a legitimate attempt to educate a high and mighty MBP "2.5" GHz owner that CPU and RAM only go so far when comes to general tasks on a computer. The SSD in the MBA changes the game on what a 1.86 GHz CPU and 2 GB of 1066 MHz RAM means. In truth, the poster needs to be aware that the MBA's SSD vastly improves common computer performance of opening large files, opening apps, and bootup times. His MBP "2.5" GHz with 667 MHz RAM means far different types of performance for MOST users.

    Funny that someone like this would pay an extra $100 to upgrade their HDD from a 5400 rpm to 7200 rpm model to get a 33% drive spin speed increase to open apps slightly faster or boot slightly faster. Yet an SSD vastly changes those tasks with read speeds equivalents of 1000% gain. Funny that someone would brag that the MBA only has 2 GB of RAM vs his "MBP's" 4 GB of RAM. Again not factoring in that 4 GB at 667 MHz vs 2 GB at 1066 MHz again isn't "DOUBLE" the speed. Again for MOST users a 2 GB of 1066 MHz RAM configuration will outperform 4 GB of 667 MHz RAM.

    Not to mention, as a mobile device the SSD far outperforms and is much more reliable than an HDD.

    The point is, yet again, an unaware individual wants to compare his CPU speed and total RAM size to state I am wrong for calling the MBA very powerful. In the future, SSDs are going to get faster and faster and people will learn that for common user "speed" difference notices the SSD can make a bigger difference than CPU and RAM.

    The true uneducated "sandbox" moment came when poster compared CPU clock speed and slower 667 MHz RAM at double capacity to state how his "MBP 2.5 GHz" was the version of "real power" over a lowly MBA.

    A tech savvy individual would understand that for MOST people 2 GB of RAM at 1066 MHz is going to outperform the Older 4 GB of 667 MHz RAM. 100% more RAM that MOST users will not use more than 2 GB of RAM. And consider the double the RAM is again like comparing apples and oranges, when the newer technology is faster RAM. Comparing clock speeds of CPU is really NOT going to mean vastly faster at a 34% clock speed from 1.86 GHz to 2.5 GHz.

    This is really more of the old age argument in the "sandbox" that mine is BIGGER than yours and therefore greater.

    All rev B MBA owners using SSD can understand the noticeable speed differences of the SSD - heck they paid for it. Many others have written about switching from a MBP that by all common uses was SLOWER than a MacBook Air with SSD. This is called PROGRESS via TECHNOLOGY. Technology is what we're talking about yet someone want to compare a 34% faster clock speed and double the RAM (even while we all know the numbers on 667 MHz vs 1066 MHz RAM), and states how it's BIGGER yet therefore better. While simply not able to fathom that for MOST the SSD will make a NOTICEABLY faster/bigger difference as that "technology" simply affects on a bigger scale, the common user's experience of "SPEED."

    So is this another "sandbox" moment, or is the SSD progress? I prefer to think that other factors of technology also influence most users performance of new Macs. What's next? I look forward to the future of technology, and I think people need to get past CPU clock speed or total amount of RAM as a measure of speed. The game is changing, and fast. Go tell a new Mac Pro user that your MBP at 2.5 GHz is faster than a Mac Pro with a 2.26 GHz Nehalem CPU. There it is a factor of something different than CPU clock speed also. Computing capabilities are being defined by more than a simple measure of clock speed.

    I look forward to the future of the MBA, and I hope Apple can find more ways to make a seemingly less powerful computer FASTER for MOST of us.

    Go SSD!
     
  17. entatlrg thread starter macrumors 68040

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    I'd have to agree with Scottsdale. From an end users standpoint I've gone through a lot of notebooks, most recently, Lenovo x301 and T500, 15" MBP this past January, a Sony Z, LG P300 these are circulated through my staff that's mobile, at one point or another I've spent time with all of them.

    The MBA is one amazingly fast machine, I agree it's the SSD. My x301 had a 128gb SSD and it was surprisingly fast too, but admittedly not as fast as MBA.

    I'm still eying up the iMac, just because it's a cool, all in one machine, but really as we've discussed previously I can hardly justify it. Especially since I just bought the 24" ACD display ... package complete basically.

    I have an HP that sits on a desk for torrent downloading, back up etc but NO desire to use it, instead my MBA sits beside it and yes it is in my opinion VERY fast, really have to see or experience it before you can comment on it I think.
     
  18. tubbymac macrumors 65816

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    I don't really see the point of the iMac anymore, to tell the truth. An MB, MBA, or MBP + external monitor basically does the same thing as an iMac and gives you the option of portability when you need it. Space isn't an issue with a Time Capsule or any other NAS device or even an external HD enclosure. The graphics card in the iMac isn't that hot, so if anybody really wanted to game heavily on their machine they could just pick up a cheapo gaming PC box. If they really don't like the PC approach there's always a console like the Wii, PS3, Xbox.
     
  19. entatlrg thread starter macrumors 68040

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    yes, it's a want versus need thing I think, it's also something I believe I'd regret buying in the long term because it wouldn't get much use.

    The ultimate decision for me I think is to partition the drive on my MBA, install Windows and Publisher using just a little space and I'm all set.

    The HP can continue to sit at my desk and be used for downloads, back up etc.

    The only other thing I would think of doing is returning the 24" ACD I bought for my Air and then buying the 24" iMac and keep the Air separate to use on it's own, no monitor. That would give my two (mac) computers at my desk, then I'd install windows on the iMac use it for everything and retire the HP desktop and the 24" monitor. As cool as that seems it could be unnecessary especially if I'm always reaching for my MBA, lol
     
  20. Scottsdale macrumors 601

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    I am not sure if it's possible, but I would look into putting Windows on an external USB drive and see if can boot from it. I can do this with Mac OS X, and the idea of saving precious MBA disk space from "Windows" seems to be my primary concern. I absolutely MUST have Windows available for a couple of "stupid" client apps. I refuse to take any of my 128 GB up from my MBA to install Windows, although XP would take less space and Windows 7 could change the game drastically. Anyways, I know I can boot to OS X via a remote disk and I just wonder if that would be the way to make Windows run on an MBA without wasting disk space. I actually have a MBP that my kids use and I boot into Windows on it one day per week. While Windows on my MBA could truly mean I could use my MBA for everything, it isn't going to happen until I get more disk space.

    I would upgrade to a MBA rev C with a 256 GB SSD. Or, I would even upgrade my rev B if a BTO option comes for a 256 GB SSD. However, I am considering looking into a option of putting a 256 GB SSD into my MBA. There is another thread where a guy shows how to convert a standard SATA SSD to work with the LIF MBA cable. It is working really well for him. So, I guess if April/May doesn't bring a revised MBA with an SL9600 Intel C2D, I will look into the idea more seriously.

    Good luck with yours. I strongly advise considering keeping the 24" ACD, and use a "ONE COMPUTER" system. I hate not having all my files available. The Mac notebook plus new ACD is a better all around system because you get extreme portability and power of a desktop... all made possible by the docking station like features of the new ACD.
     
  21. entatlrg thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Thanks again, Scottsdale. I agree and am going to take your advice. After all adding an iMac isn't something I have to rush into.

    The MBA is going to be my main machine, it's handling everything very well so far. The ACD is beautiful and I'm glad I decided to keep it and pass on exchanging it for an iMac ... returning that ACD would of been painful, lol.

    I'm going to go ahead and install Windows on it and see how it goes. I should be okay for storage of 'active' files with the disk space, if not I'll use USB drives, they're handy and cheap now, even for a 32gb.

    The HP does what it needs to do well, so I'll leave it alone, saves me some money too.

    Lastly is a computer set up for my wife .... she's using an LG P300 and an old Samsung monitor, time for an upgrade ... she's at her desk 90% of the time, and takes her notebook with her so she needs portability. She will miss Publisher too, so much so I might make sure whatever set up she chooses has access to Windows OS .... maybe a 13" MP, with Windows installed and I'm sure she wouldn't mind an ACD display either, lol ...

    Thanks again, most of the comments where helpful.

    ... next project is to get my iPhone email working better so I can ditch my Blackberry ... not an easy task...
     

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