Extremely Impressed with Aveo

[NightFlight]

The Honda Fit really sucks, sorry. Just because it says Honda on it wouldn't make me pay $16,000 for something not as nice as the Aveo. I'd rather have fake wood, leather, chrome, and brushed aluminum than a whole interior of black plastic and ugly nylon seats. I would hardly call the Fit "far better."

The Fit sucks?

You must have missed every single comparison test by a reputable magazine that placed it in first, way ahead of the competition. It seems as if the professional automotive journalists think it is far better. Keep in mind that the Fit is an OLD model, just now arriving on our shores. It is known as the Jazz elsewhere, and there is a redesign in the works.

The seats are not nylon in the Fit, where in the world did you get that bit of info??? The material is actually very similar to atacama. Do you really think the seats are made out of 100% leather in that Aveo?? No, they are very small inserts and the rest is

You go ahead and take that brushed aluminum and leather, I'll take the BASE Fit and we'll see who fares better 100000 miles down the road. Don't forget the resale value too. Glitz and glitter will do nothing for you when the car starts to fall apart.

Honda is a superior company to GM or Daewoo in every single respect. Remember how well Daewoo did back when they sold them here? You can get a low mileage Leganza with leather and all the other options they offered used for less than $4000. Nobody wants them. How are GMs financials looking? Pretty poor.

 

[dpaanlka]

How are GMs financials looking? Pretty poor.

As of last quarter, GM is officially making a profit. This just shows your anti-GM bias, "honda is the best at everything!!!" mentality.

Since the Aveo is guaranteed to be doing pretty well 100,000 miles down the road, I'd say the safer bet is with that car.

Yes, the Fit sucks. It doesn't compare to the Aveo for the price. You haven't proved anything. Where are the features in the Fit at 15 - 16 K?

 

[ezzie]

Yes, the Fit sucks. It doesn't compare to the Aveo for the price. You haven't proved anything. Where are the features in the Fit at 15 - 16 K?

the Fit does not suck. i've owned one for a year, and it's been the best car purchase i've ever made. my husband and i bought the "5 door" sport model with all the bells and whistles for just over $16k.

do you honestly think that the average person who's looking at small cars like this really wants wood and leather? just because those options are available, it doesn't mean that the aveo is a better value. i prefer my cars to not fall apart when they're 5 years old. i know my honda will not fall apart.

just so you know, i am currently running an '01 civic sedan into the ground as well as the '07 fit, and they both surpass any chevrolet i've ever had.

 

[dpaanlka]

just so you know, i am currently running an '01 civic sedan into the ground as well as the '07 fit, and they both surpass any chevrolet i've ever had.

Just so you know, all of our family's GMs have lasted longer than the one Honda we've ever owned. And yes, having ALL of those features (not *just* wood and leather) makes the Aveo a better value. Plus, the GMs are all now guaranteed to last 5 years or 100,000 miles. In that time or mileage, I am not guaranteed that a Honda will be running.

I'm glad you're happy with your purchase, but the Aveo is a better car for the price. And priced out on Honda's own web site, a fully loaded Fit comes out to way over 16 grand. True, dealers can be talked down, but the MSRP of the Aveo is just over 16 grand, so surely they can be talked down as well.

 

[fuzzwud]

nice little review there.....

but i'd never buy an american car though....

GM owns Daewoo I believe so this is a Korean designed and built car, not an American made car.

 

[ezzie]

Just so you know, all of our family's GMs have lasted longer than the one Honda we've ever owned.

and my family and i had 3 GM's that began crapping out within 5 years of perfectly normal use, all before 100,000 miles. your experience with your GM's was different than mine.

i'm not saying that the aveo sucks, even though i test-drove one last year and hated it...that would be making an argument without having all the facts, and that's what you're doing.

I'm glad you're happy with your purchase, but the Aveo is a better car for the price.

it may be a better car for you, but it's not a better car for me. my problem with your blanket statement of "the Fit sucks" is that you can't make a judgement like that without having all the facts, and you don't. i can fit myself, my husband, and 3 friends comfortably in our tiny little car, as well as all of our bags and such, and that's great. when we're not hauling our friends, we can fit our mountain bikes in the car without taking off the front wheels. when we have to haul a utility sink/cabinet combo, we can fold down the back seat and do just that. that makes the Fit a better car for the price for us. and it gets us 38-40 MPG, too.

like abstract said above somewhere, find me in 6 or 7 years and tell me how that Chevy is holding up. maybe i'll be surprised, but i really doubt it.

 

[dpaanlka]

I just think spending more money on a car with less features because you hope that it might be more reliable in the future because it's a Honda isn't really smart.

 

[Xyl]

And don't forget the Nissan Versa, more room, nicer interior and more hp for slightly less money than others I mentioned.

For $15700 + tax, I'd probably look at something like the Nissan Versa before I made any conclusion about the BEST $15000 on the market.

The Versa has a more powerful engine than all of them, though.

Just a sidenote, the Versa is the most toxic car out of a couple hundred+ that had been tested.
http://healthycar.org/vehicle.details.php?getrecno=148

 

[ezzie]

I just think spending more money on a car with less features because you hope that it might be more reliable in the future because it's a Honda isn't really smart.

you don't get it. i don't want the features that the Aveo has. i want the features that i got when i bought my Fit. it was smart for me to spend my money the way i see proper.

the assertion that i should spend less money on a car with features that i don't want and a warranty that i don't need (5 years/60,000 powertrain warranty is plenty for me since my Civic gets the hard driving) is way off-base. i spent more money for a car with "less features" because i liked what it had to offer. i'm not going to save a couple thousand dollars by buying a car that i don't need/like/want because it's got bells and whistles and a nice warranty.

you can like what you want and be impressed by whatever your heart desires, but don't start saying that my car sucks because you perceive something else as better.

k?

 

[quagmire]

For $15K, I would rather get the Cobalt. It's a compact instead of a sub compact, 144 HP instead of 103 HP. I only lose 2 MPG on both city and highway. The interior might not be as nice as the Aveo, but I think I will live.

PS: GM is in the best shape of the Big 2.5. Finally putting out some competitive products like the Aura, new Malibu, new CTS, the new full size SUV's and trucks, the Lambda triplets( Acadia, Outlook, Enclave), etc. Making $950 Million in the 4th quarter. Losing $2 billion in '06. A $8.4 Billion improvement from '05. GM still has a long way to go, but this attitude of anything American is a POS needs to go.

PSS: 4 GM's in the family. No major problems. Just routine maintenance. Even the "mighty" Toyota and Honda vehicles will fall if you neglect them.

 

[dpaanlka]

i spent more money for a car with "less features" because i liked what it had to offer

And that is?

you can like what you want and be impressed by whatever your heart desires, but don't start saying that my car sucks because you perceive something else as better

Your car costs more, and has less. Fine, it's just as good.

 

[rdowns]

Oh yeah, I didn't mention it had a 5yr/100,000 mile transferable warranty. I challenge anyone to find anything comparable from any other country in that price range.

The 5/100 warranty is for the powertrain only and is quite limited. The full warranty is 3 years/36,000 miles.

You'd be better off with anything Japanese in hat range- and they have quite a few models with as many, if not more, features.

 

[ezzie]

And that is?

roominess, cargo space and easily configurable cargo options, paddle shfters for my automatic transmission, and i just freaking love the way it looks. it has a hatchback, which is a must-have for me. it gets no less than 38 MPG. i also have the peace of mind of knowing that i have a warranty that is 100% sufficient for me.

Your car costs more, and has less. Fine, it's just as good.

let's break this down, shall we?

Leather Seats - who cares? i don't want leather seats, they're sticky in the summer...
Wood Trim - looks tacky, IMHO
Chrome door handles and polished aluminum door pulls - also on all four doors - also looks tacky, IMO
Light touches of chrome around various dashboard features, very nicely done, not too much. Gauge clusters too. - the Fit has gauge clusters...and they're blue lit and sexy as hell.
Powered sun roof, power windows and door locks - i have power windows and door locks....the sun roof wasn't wasn't offered during this first year, at least in the US.
Keyless entry & theft deterrent system - got that, too...
Steering wheel-mounted audio controls - i have hands for reaching for the buttons, so i'm OK, really.
6 CD in-dash changer with Mp3 CD playback and ipod/mp3 player connection - the Fit has the MP3 playback and AUX input, which is all i need.
15" Aluminum rims - i have 15" alloy wheels...
Rear spoiler - have that, too.
Fog lights - yep.
Cruise control - i have that as well...
5 year / 100,000 mile warranty - 5 year/60,000 drivetrain warranty for me, and that's all i need.

what works for you does not work for me. the Aveo isn't better than anything else...i'm not trying to say my Fit is better than anything, either.

 

[Sutekidane]

Exactly, it's all a matter of opinion. I for one like the Aveo and the Fit, but I have a preference for Korean cars, so I'd get the Aveo over the Fit. Not to say one is better than the other, it all comes down to personal preference. They both have pluses and minuses, just like every other car ever made.

 

[NightFlight]

As of last quarter, GM is officially making a profit. This just shows your anti-GM bias, "honda is the best at everything!!!" mentality.

Since the Aveo is guaranteed to be doing pretty well 100,000 miles down the road, I'd say the safer bet is with that car.

Yes, the Fit sucks. It doesn't compare to the Aveo for the price. You haven't proved anything. Where are the features in the Fit at 15 - 16 K?

Anti GM bias??! My family has owned 3 Suburbans in the past 8 years, we have a very large boat to tow and need one. There goes your point there. Honda doesn't report losses my friend, they are a successful company. They are officially making a profit now? That's good, it still won't cover the BILLIONS of dollars that they lost. I am not biased in any way. If I were given a choice I would choose a Honda over a GM product though.

You know what else that Aveo is guaranteed to do at 100,000 miles? Break down. A 100,000 mile warranty doesn't do anything for me, especially if they vehicle will break down more often than a Honda. Do me a favor and compare GMs (and daewoos) if you want to Honda on consumer reports and let me know your findings on who is more reliable. They need that 100,000 mile warranty to trick the consumer into purchasing their vehicle.

I'll make one more point for you, since you think people who buy the Fit are "chumps". I can promise you the resale value on the Fit will be thousands of dollars more in 5 years than the Aveo will be worth in 2. Who is the chump now? The person who spend 1 grand more to get a car that will be worth three grand down the road, or the person who gets ripped when they go to sell their car earlier? Do the research sir, you will understand my point. A 8 year old Civic is worth more than a few year old Cobalt.

Honda/Acura. Toyota/Lexus. Those companies have proven themselves in the automotive industry while GM has become the laughing stock. The future isn't in huge pickup trucks that can tow 20,000 pounds. The future is in small, fuel efficient vehicles that are competitive in their market. GM doesn't have a single car that is competitive in the small car market. Sorry, those are the facts and the sales prove it. Don't tell me the Cobalt sells well, it is the fleet queen of GM.

 

[Sutekidane]

I don't think there's any point in arguing anything, this whole thread is full of opinion.

 

[NightFlight]

I don't think there's any point in arguing anything, this whole thread is full of opinion.

Mine is a statement of fact, not opinion.

Also, this isn't much of an arguement because it is free of namecalling I would call this a debate.

 

[dpaanlka]

roominess, cargo space and easily configurable cargo options, paddle shfters for my automatic transmission, and i just freaking love the way it looks. it has a hatchback, which is a must-have for me. it gets no less than 38 MPG. i also have the peace of mind of knowing that i have a warranty that is 100% sufficient for me.



let's break this down, shall we?

Leather Seats - who cares? i don't want leather seats, they're sticky in the summer...
Wood Trim - looks tacky, IMHO
Chrome door handles and polished aluminum door pulls - also on all four doors - also looks tacky, IMO
Light touches of chrome around various dashboard features, very nicely done, not too much. Gauge clusters too. - the Fit has gauge clusters...and they're blue lit and sexy as hell.
Powered sun roof, power windows and door locks - i have power windows and door locks....the sun roof wasn't wasn't offered during this first year, at least in the US.
Keyless entry & theft deterrent system - got that, too...
Steering wheel-mounted audio controls - i have hands for reaching for the buttons, so i'm OK, really.
6 CD in-dash changer with Mp3 CD playback and ipod/mp3 player connection - the Fit has the MP3 playback and AUX input, which is all i need.
15" Aluminum rims - i have 15" alloy wheels...
Rear spoiler - have that, too.
Fog lights - yep.
Cruise control - i have that as well...
5 year / 100,000 mile warranty - 5 year/60,000 drivetrain warranty for me, and that's all i need.

what works for you does not work for me. the Aveo isn't better than anything else...i'm not trying to say my Fit is better than anything, either.

Exactly, so the Fit has less, and costs more. Maybe it is a preference. You just happen to prefer paying more for less, while I prefer getting more for my money.

There is a hatchback Aveo BTW, which, aside from being a hatchback, is otherwise the same as the Aveo sedan.

 

[echeck]

I don't think there's any point in arguing anything, this whole thread is full of opinion.

Ha ha! Deaf ears, I'm afraid.

I think it's funny how everyone always pops up in these threads to justify their own purchases.

Having never driven one, based upon your review I think the Aveo is a great value.

I drive a 1997 Mitsubishi Mirage DE. It's a little manual 2 door coupe that gets great gas mileage and just enough zip (for a 4-banger) to keep me happy (my last car being an '89 Mustang 5.0).

Hey, there's something you guys can start flaming me on! I LOVE Mustangs. If I could rationalize buying one right now I would. Okay, let me have it. Tell me why Mustangs suck.

 

[dpaanlka]

Mine is a statement of fact, not opinion.

Also, this isn't much of an arguement because it is free of namecalling I would call this a debate.

Your "facts:"

An Aveo is guaranteed to break down.
GM only builds trucks.
The Aveo doesn't sell well.
Old Civics are expensive for reasons other than teenagers buying them to pretend they're in he Fast and the Furious.

I think it's funny how everyone always pops up in these threads to justify their own purchases.

Having never driven one, based upon your review I think the Aveo is a great value.

Amazingly, as much as I'm defending the Aveo against the overpriced Fit, I don't own nor am I in the market for a car in that class (and I don't think I will be any time soon).

 

[ziwi]

but i'd never buy an american car though....

What is an American car nowadays? I do not think that Ford, GM or Chrysler make anything here anymore (mostly Canada and Mexico). Conversely it seems Honda, Toyota and Nissan have many plants in the US making cars...so today it is confusing - what makes it an American car? Being built here, being sold here being assembled in Canada in Mexico? I don't know...

 

[NightFlight]

Your facts:

1. An Aveo is guaranteed to break down.
2. GM only builds trucks.
3. The Aveo doesn't sell well.
4 .Old Civics are expensive for reasons other than teenagers buying them to pretend they're in he Fast and the Furious.

I added numbers for easier reference...

1. Please reference Consumer Reports for reliability data, and compare it to any Honda product. The Fit is a reccomended choice.
2. I never once said that GM only builds trucks. Their nicest car IMHO is the Aura and it is based off of a european GM.
3. Again, please check the sales figures. Fleet sales should not be included.
4. Old Civics are worth more because they are a proven vehicle. They are reliable, economical, and safe.

Hey, there's something you guys can start flaming me on! I LOVE Mustangs. If I could rationalize buying one right now I would. Okay, let me have it. Tell me why Mustangs suck.

There is nothing wrong with a Mustang at all. Other than the fact it isn't the best handling vehicle you can buy for less than 30K, they are a fun vehicle. The newest Mustang is by far the nicest that Ford has produced in recent years.

 

[quagmire]

Mine is a statement of fact, not opinion.

Also, this isn't much of an arguement because it is free of namecalling I would call this a debate.

Where is the fact that the Aveo will break down at 100K? Where is the fact that the newer GM products are crap? Please enlighten me. I must be one of the few to have problem free high mile GM products. Also, if sales prove everything, then OS X isn't competitive. Hell, it relatively sucks.

I added numbers for easier reference...

1. Please reference Consumer Reports for reliability data, and compare it to any Honda product. The Fit is a reccomended choice.
2. I never once said that GM only builds trucks. Their nicest car IMHO is the Aura and it is based off of a european GM.
3. Again, please check the sales figures. Fleet sales should not be included.
4. Old Civics are worth more because they are a proven vehicle. They are reliable, economical, and safe.

1. HA! CR is the bible for Japanese car owners. Everything to them are appliances. And Honda fits that criteria pretty well. They think the Aura XR's suspension is "stiff". So GM gave the XR a firm suspension. CR doesn't like the sporty setup because it doesn't fit there criteria of an appliance. CR hasn't taken any hit for there mistakes lately?

2. Another victim of the GM PR machine. Out of all the Saturns based on an Opel design, the Aura shares barely anything with the Vectra. The exterior is the only thing that is Opelized. Everything else is a reskinned Pontiac G6.

3. GM has reduced fleet sales drastically. And continuing to do so. They're also reducing incentives. While Toyota is boosting them.

 

[dpaanlka]

What is an American car nowadays? I do not think that Ford, GM or Chrysler make anything here anymore (mostly Canada and Mexico).

That's completely false. All three of them have several US assembly locations.

 

[Xyl]

I think it's funny how everyone always pops up in these threads to justify their own purchases.

I think we should give evilgEEk a round of applause. He just summarized the whole thread in one sentence.