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This thread needs to die as it appears most fanboys have no understanding of apple business, die sizes shrinks, or what the most important parts of the iOS device has always been - graphical superiority yielding unparalleled smooth user experiences.

Ugh.

Dude, you're one to talk. It sounds like you're making assumptions based on generalizations you heard on the internet rather than developer experience.

A5x in the next iPhone? No.
I'd bet on the A5-32nm shrink instead of the A5x if we're going with existing socs. Even better (but unrealistic because of cost?) Do one more run of the A5 with the A5x's DDR controller for 1GB support.

But quad core GPU on an iPhone? Android users would call them out : "Check this out, Apple copied our crappy battery life!"

PS: For the record, I'm guessing a dual core cortex A15.
 
iPhone 5 with this please

1.2Ghz A5 @ 32nm
4" Screen at 960x540
1GB of RAM
Thinner
802.11ac Wifi
LTE
iOS 6.0 with OpenCL support

That's a winner I believe.
 
Dude, you're one to talk. It sounds like you're making assumptions based on generalizations you heard on the internet rather than developer experience.

A5x in the next iPhone? No.
I'd bet on the A5-32nm shrink instead of the A5x if we're going with existing socs. Even better (but unrealistic because of cost?) Do one more run of the A5 with the A5x's DDR controller for 1GB support.

But quad core GPU on an iPhone? Android users would call them out : "Check this out, Apple copied our crappy battery life!"

PS: For the record, I'm guessing a dual core cortex A15.

Christ, what are you people smoking?

Galaxy S3 has quad core GPU. Please stop assuming the iPhone 4 will not have quad core graphics for reasons like battery life. iPhone has defacto class leading battery life. All it needs to do is double it's battery (which is WILL) to accommodate LTE.
 
Christ, what are you people smoking?

Galaxy S3 has quad core GPU. Please stop assuming the iPhone 4 will not have quad core graphics for reasons like battery life. iPhone has defacto class leading battery life. All it needs to do is double it's battery (which is WILL) to accommodate LTE.

The GS3 also has a 4.8" screen and we know Apple's not going there. I'm thinking that if iOS 6 delivers OpenCL performance then the GPU can be used as an additional compute resource like it is on OS X.

I still can't get much clarification on whether iOS 5.x is using OpenCL or not.
 
iPhone 5 with this please

1.2Ghz A5 @ 32nm
4" Screen at 960x540
1GB of RAM
Thinner
802.11ac Wifi
LTE
iOS 6.0 with OpenCL support

That's a winner I believe.

Utterly clueless. Apple will not market a device that is larger and less Retina, with the same exact last generation SoC that is clocked a little higher. Resolution will increase change to accommodate roughly same PPI.

New wifi protocol is also unlikely, the current iPhones uses only 2.4 ghz wifi-N.
 
Utterly clueless. Apple will not market a device that is larger and less Retina, with the same exact last generation SoC that is clocked a little higher.

New wifi protocol is also unlikely, the current iPhones uses only 2.4 ghz wifi-N.

LOL

Retina is defined by Apple as roughly around 300PPI. The current 3.5" screen is 326PPI I believe. Ahhhh found it

4" at 960x540 would be 289 PPI

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/16/the-four-inch-iphone-display-doing-the-math/

The SoC isn't the same...it's smaller and can clock higher within the same power envelope. Add more battery density like the new iPad and you've got a LTE enabled phone with great battery life and decent speed for apps that thread well enough across two cores.

My logic is undeniable.
 
Christ, what are you people smoking?

Galaxy S3 has quad core GPU. Please stop assuming the iPhone 4 will not have quad core graphics for reasons like battery life. iPhone has defacto class leading battery life. All it needs to do is double it's battery (which is WILL) to accommodate LTE.

One reason why flagship android phones have large screen (over 4.5") is because it gives more room to fit bigger battery and make the phone thinner.

Since I don't see the next iphone go above 4", I find difficult Apple will be able to fit a 3000 mAh battery.

Dual A15 ARM chip will be more than a match against quad cores A9 chips, just look at 28nm Snapdragon S4 SOC.
 
LOL

Retina is defined by Apple as roughly around 300PPI. The current 3.5" screen is 326PPI I believe. Ahhhh found it

4" at 960x540 would be 289 PPI

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/16/the-four-inch-iphone-display-doing-the-math/

The SoC isn't the same...it's smaller and can clock higher within the same power envelope. Add more battery density like the new iPad and you've got a LTE enabled phone with great battery life and decent speed for apps that thread well enough across two cores.

My logic is undeniable.

Why wouldn't you want to preserve the current screen resolution of 960 x 640?

Doesn't quite make sense otherwise.
 
Why wouldn't you want to preserve the current screen resolution of 960 x 640?

Doesn't quite make sense otherwise.

He means 960 x 640 instead of 960 x 540: it's a typo (a 960 x 540 4 inch display would have a pixel density of roughly 275 ppi).

His story is otherwise top notch. It just makes sense for Apple to use a 32 nm A5 chip. They could clock the A5 chip at higher speeds and still save battery life.

"@mjzin

iOS user experience superiority has Always relied on GPU superiority. The fact that people can't understand this speaks to how little most consumers understand the processes and priorities that go on in their iOS devices.
"

No, the fact that you are so ignorant speaks to how little you understand the processes and priorities that go into Apple's iOS devices.

You are assuming all kinds of things like that the display will be bigger (which is far from certain) and even then you are assuming that the resolution will be higher.

You do realise the A5X chip is HUGE (I truly mean huge)? Let's say Apple does increase screen size and does increase the resolution, than they could still use the A5 chip (depending on what resolution they settle on).

Let's look at the facts here. If Apple does increase the resolution of the next generation iPhone, than the MAXIMUM resolution will be 1440 x 960. That's 768.000 pixels more than the current iPhone 4S. In comparison: when Apple switched to a 2048 x 1536 display, they added an additional 2.359.296 pixels compared to the iPad 2. So, in comparison: the iPad 3's increase in resolution would be three times as much the increase in pixels for the next generation iPhone.

That's a HUGE difference. Apple added two cores for those 2.36 million pixels. At best they would need to add 1 core for those extra 0.78 million pixels - and that's being generous.

Currently, Apple is using a 45 nm A5 chip with two UNDERCLOCKED GPU cores.

The most logical thing to do for Apple is to use a 32 nm A5 chip with the same GPU cores but only slightly higher clocked. That would compensate for those 780.000 pixels AND it would possibly still reduce battery life AND it would save a lot of internal space for, for example, a LTE radio or a bigger battery.

Apple settles with something that will give users the best experience, and an A5X won't: less internal space, more heat and higher cost (A5X is more expensive to produce).

And let's not even talk about the fact that the A5X chip is REALLY power hungry. It's rumoured that the A5X chip alone uses more power than one whole iPhone 4S unit (including the display, radio, etc.).

So tell me again: what is more logical for Apple to do? To use an over-powered 45 nm A5X chip which is more expensive for Apple, produces more heat, uses A LOT of power and leaves less internal space for other components? Or a 32 nm A5 chip that would result in much better battery life, less heat, could compensate for the higher resolution, leaves more space for internal components and is cheaper for Apple to produce?
 
iPhone 5 with this please

1.2Ghz A5 @ 32nm
4" Screen at 960x540
1GB of RAM
Thinner
802.11ac Wifi
LTE
iOS 6.0 with OpenCL support

That's a winner I believe.

That's a very plausible spec. I believe we'll see a turbo charged A5. It will be die shrunk and ~1.2ghz would still represent a solid 50% performance enhancement over the regular A5. The more I think of it the more I think quad CPU is looking less likely and Quad GPU will just not happen at all next gen. I think the real seller for the iPhone 5 will be the form factor so Apple dont need to go crazy over the CPU design.
 
And have no performance improvements in the new iPhone? Im sorry, you're smoking something.

And yes, bigger display DOES mean higher resolution. Apple will not being delivering no-Retina displays in the new iPhone.

Do people even think before they post? Christ, delivering the same exact processor in the next generation iPhone as the last generation iPhone is THE ABSOLUTE LEAST LOGICAL thing apple will do.

This thread needs to die as it appears most fanboys have no understanding of apple business, die sizes shrinks, or what the most important parts of the iOS device has always been - graphical superiority yielding unparalleled smooth user experiences.

Ugh.

So they will increase the resolution and break the compatibility of each of the 650,000 apps in the app store? That seems a little illogical. I think it's much more logical to recognize apples business practice of avoiding fragmentation and keeping things simple. If Apple bumps the screen to 4inches the rez is more than likely to stay the same. 286ppi is still REALLY good and apple will ignore the minor lash back of news sites complaining they broke their 300ppi retina promise. It makes sense for Apple to put dual core in the iPhone 5/6 along with the dual core GPU. Quad core GPU is necessary in the iPad because of its massive resolution. My iphone will never have to push that many pixels and never will NEED as powerful of a GPU as the new iPads resolution. That resolution pushes 5x the iPhones pixels. The processor will likely go dual core a15 for better performance and less power consumption and it will be on a lower nm fab. The GPU will be better but I doubt will go quad core. I can't imagine them using the same A5 that's already been the headline for two blockbuster iOS devices. That would be ludicrous and would lead to an Android fanboy flak overload. Not tO mention Apple has to future proof itself and push those new 3D maps smoothly.
 
One reason why flagship android phones have large screen (over 4.5") is because it gives more room to fit bigger battery and make the phone thinner.

Since I don't see the next iphone go above 4", I find difficult Apple will be able to fit a 3000 mAh battery.

Dual A15 ARM chip will be more than a match against quad cores A9 chips, just look at 28nm Snapdragon S4 SOC.

Exactly right, tell these fools. The snapdragon S4 matches and sometimes beats the quad core Tegra 3. A good dual core that can actually be utilized is enough. Dual a-15 FTW!
 
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