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EyeTV iPhone App Pulled by Apple, Revised Version Submitted

kdarling said:
It's not a copyright issue.

The Verizon Wireless contract specifically allows streaming video on their network.
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Not doubting you, but streaming Video and Streaming Live TV are very different things. You can stream video on AT&T, but not Live TV.

I would be curious as to what the Verizon contract says, if you don't mind sharing.

Anyone know if any of the US carriers stream live tv over their data plans? Honestly, I have long been surprised no one has bragged that with their phone and cel service, you can watch broadcast TV live, exactly as you would on your home TV. Basically, a "Live TV Anywhere" campaign. I would consider any carrier and devise who provided that.
 
this unlimited plan i pay, is BS.
fcc should investigate them, i think we should get free mobile tv & free turn by turn wit the unlimited plan. xp
 
utazdevl said:
Not doubting you, but streaming Video and Streaming Live TV are very different things. You can stream video on AT&T, but not Live TV.
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If it were a copyright issue, then nobody could legally use Slingbox over 3G or WiFi.

I would be curious as to what the Verizon contract says, if you don't mind sharing.
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Data Plans and Features: Permitted Uses. You can use our Data Plans and Features for accessing the Internet and for such uses as: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) e-mail; (iii) intranet access (including accessing corporate intranets, e-mail and individual productivity applications made available by your company); (iv) uploading, downloading and streaming of audio, video and games; and (v) Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP).

This is relatively new, btw (~late 2007 ?). They used to ban video, like ATT.

Anyone know if any of the US carriers stream live tv over their data plans?
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Most of the USA carriers have MobiTV as an option (each carrier brands it differently).
 
kdarling said:
It's not a copyright issue.

The Verizon Wireless contract specifically allows streaming video on their network.
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Streaming video happens with the YouTube app, however do Verizon allow live TV to be streamed over their network?

It could be a copyright issue.

Aha looked up and saw the answer. Mobi TV probably has the mobile streaming rights so my guess is that a Mobi TV app would be OK.
 
someone needs to make a countdown app to when AT&T will loose their exclusivity :D it'd be worth it
 
kdarling said:
If it were a copyright issue, then nobody could legally use Slingbox over 3G or WiFi.

Data Plans and Features: Permitted Uses. You can use our Data Plans and Features for accessing the Internet and for such uses as: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) e-mail; (iii) intranet access (including accessing corporate intranets, e-mail and individual productivity applications made available by your company); (iv) uploading, downloading and streaming of audio, video and games; and (v) Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP).

This is relatively new, btw (~late 2007). They used to ban video, like ATT.

All the USA carriers have MobiTV as an option (each carrier brands it differently).
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My understanding is that Slingbox is only over wi-fi (which is personal computer based) not Edge or 3G (which is carrier based). AT&T cannot control what someone does when their phone is on wi-fi (at that point it is not a cellular device, it is like an iPod Touch), but on Edge or 3G, their network/infrastructure is carrying the content.

This doesn't say anything about Live TV product, just that you can use the network to send or receive Audio, Video or games.

I am new to MobiTV, but it appears to provide content that has been authorized for specific streaming to mobile devices. I am talking about clicking a button on your phone at 9:00 on a Thursday night and selecting NBC seeing the same episode of The Office at the same point in it as is playing on your home TV (commercials and all), which is receiving a signal via over the air signal (or cable or satellite feed). Then, at 9:30, you change the channel to CBS and watch the end of CSI, same as you would at home (although, not sure why anyone watches CSI). That is true Live TV. MobiTV seems to just be a delivery method for product that has been paid to be sent out to those who buy in.

Again, not saying I am right about this being a rights thing versus a network thing, but seems possible. My honest guess is that it is a little bit of both. If it weren't for the rights issue, someone would have built a network capable of doing the Live TV thing and then bragged about it big time.
 
vvebsta said:
someone needs to make a countdown app to when AT&T will loose their exclusivity :D it'd be worth it
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AT&T won't lose their exclusivity in the US until there is an alternate GSM 3g or 4g network that works in the same frequency spectrum as AT&T.

Verizon and Sprint are CDMA and incompatible technology. Apple will not produce a phone they cannot sell elsewhere. UTMS/GSM in the frequency spectrums used by AT&T are used by most carriers around the world, and there are probably just as many iPhones sold outside the US as in it.

T mobile's 3g is on a different frequency spectrum even though it uses UTMS technology.

Apple's core product is not mobile phones. Hence they produce 3 different specs.

RIM/Moto/Nokia et al are primarily mobile phone makers and therefore will produce CDMA/GSM phones as it is more to their advantage. By making a product that can only sell in the US, Apple would be losing economies of scale they currently enjoy with their products.
 
cjmillsnun said:
Streaming video happens with the YouTube app, however do Verizon allow live TV to be streamed over their network?
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Yes, unlike ATT, who specifically says that "redirecting TV" is prohibited, Verizon makes no distinction. They allow any video.

As for Slingbox legality over place-shifting, the issue never got serious.

utazdevl said:
My understanding is that Slingbox is only over wi-fi (which is personal computer based) not Edge or 3G (which is carrier based).
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That limitation is only on the iPhone.

On any other phone on the entire planet, Slingbox also works over cell networks. Many of us have been using it for years that way.

Again, not saying I am right about this being a rights thing versus a network thing, but seems possible. My honest guess is that it is a little bit of both. If it weren't for the rights issue, someone would have built a network capable of doing the Live TV thing and then bragged about it big time.
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Obviously you cannot relay TV streams to other people unless you have permission to do so.

But if you have permission, then yes, there are free live TV feeds all over the Internet. Most, if not all, smartphones have apps for that. One list of iPhone live TV apps.
 
For like the 10,000th time, Orb does live streaming tv over 3G. Any "policy" from Apple and/or AT&T is a load of crap.
 
I'm happy that they pulled the EyeTv app and I want my money back. EyeTv app was the buggiest worst app I have bought yet and wasn't ready for release.
 
Downloaded app..

a little after noon friday and was watching A-Rod's game tying homerun on my 30 min drive home tonight via 3G. Not that I'm a NY fan, but watching Live tv anywhere is awesome. Played perfect video with no glitches except over one hill where the phone briefly hit the Edge Network. To those who say the EyeTV app is no good are nutz, works perfectly for me. I am from this point only going to use the app over wi-fi as to not break any laws.. ;)
 
JoeSmoe23 said:
a little after noon friday and was watching A-Rod's game tying homerun on my 30 min drive home tonight via 3G. Not that I'm a NY fan, but watching Live tv anywhere is awesome. Played perfect video with no glitches except over one hill where the phone briefly hit the Edge Network. To those who say the EyeTV app is no good are nutz, works perfectly for me. I am from this point only going to use the app over wi-fi as to not break any laws.. ;)
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Please don't watch TV while you're driving. I have to drive on the same streets as you.
 
EyeTV is back in the App Store again (I can confirm that for Austria and Germany)! According to the description it is version # 1.0.0. People at MacUser.de are telling that they could buy it.

I had it installed before (the version with the Easter Egg). There is no update in iTunes showing up.
 
cjmillsnun said:
AT&T won't lose their exclusivity in the US until there is an alternate GSM 3g or 4g network that works in the same frequency spectrum as AT&T.

Verizon and Sprint are CDMA and incompatible technology. Apple will not produce a phone they cannot sell elsewhere. UTMS/GSM in the frequency spectrums used by AT&T are used by most carriers around the world, and there are probably just as many iPhones sold outside the US as in it.

T mobile's 3g is on a different frequency spectrum even though it uses UTMS technology.

Apple's core product is not mobile phones. Hence they produce 3 different specs.

RIM/Moto/Nokia et al are primarily mobile phone makers and therefore will produce CDMA/GSM phones as it is more to their advantage. By making a product that can only sell in the US, Apple would be losing economies of scale they currently enjoy with their products.
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So AT&T are the only provider that Apple can supply in the whole of the USA? And people are wondering why AT&T have so much sway in what Apple will allow or not allow? Seems like they have Apple over a barrel.
 
dukebound85 said:
im getting tired of this "unlimited data" plan im paying for and not being able to use it as i see fit
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Agreed. They (o2 and AT&T) should really clear up what unlimited means, either make it unlimited or rename it "near unlimited" with crystal clear usage definitions.
 
Longey Nowze said:
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_0_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7A400 Safari/528.16)

I don't understand why AT&T gets to decide, interfere with the choices and features available to iPhone users around the world! If my carrier is better equiped or even just less of a tyrrant why do we get to suffer?!

Don't developers have a choice where to offer their apps? I'm sorry to say this, but why don't they offer their Crippled apps just in the US store?! Why do we have to suffer?!
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It is because TV demands a lot of bandwith streaming it and iPhone users are already guilty of using 4 times the average amount of data as other smart phone users. The network just can not handle it.

kas23 said:
This proves, beyond any reasonable dispute, that AT&T plays a significant role in the app approval process. This is in direct violation of the FCC's vision of net neutrality. I hope the FCC is privy to this latest move.
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Please tell me how it violates FCC vision of net neutrality. AT&T is not filtering the data that is going to the phone. Now the contract they have with Apple says no apps may be approved that stream live TV. Since it is blocking just apps from being approved it does not filter the data.

This is just another example of a problem with a single source for all apps. If it could be gotten from other store not a problem.
 
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