It means you need to be attentive to the flight crew's instructions.
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This is the same explanation I gave but people want to make light of it and think playing their dumb games is more important than shutting it off for 10 minutes.
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FAA Still Looking at Digital Device Use During Takeoff and Landing
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It means you need to be attentive to the flight crew's instructions.
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This is the same explanation I gave but people want to make light of it and think playing their dumb games is more important than shutting it off for 10 minutes.
I probably would. If I didn't own the plane or the airline its not really my right to go against the rules when i need their services. I tend to do my best to follow the rules. Especially if there "may" be safety concerns. As much as I fly I appreciate all things done with safety in mind. I like getting home to my wife and kids.
And my wife likes red. Thread highjack over.
so i look out the window and there's a bunch of smoke coming out of the engines and the horizon is parallel with my back..
flight crew instructions are not what i want to be tuned in to.. i want to be listening to a favorite jam and look at pics of my daughter.. sorry if that sound selfish but that's how i feel..
there are exactly two or three people who hold my fate in their hands at this moment but they're locked behind a door up front.. flight attendants can't do anything in this moment to ensure my or my neighbor's safety and/or sanity..
I just switch mine to airplane mode and continue reading. I can't see how a device that does not emit any radio waves can interrupt flight.
It's not like the planes have a wifi modem you can log onto and hack away at the airlines flight system.
It's not like the planes have a wifi modem you can log onto and hack away at the airlines flight system.
That explanation leaves a lot to be desired as well. There are no rules against using earplugs (I use them frequently, I take 4-8 flights/month) or taking a nap during takeoff/landing. Of course, you ARE allowed to read a book or have a conversation. You can be sleeping with earplugs in and as long as you have your seat/tray table up, seatbelt on, luggage under the seat & electronic device put away, they won't say anything to you.
Also, it is completely possible to use your phone/tablet WITHOUT using headphones. The rules don't allow for that, of course.
I think that's why people are unhappy. Nobody can explain why the rules are as they are, and some of them make absolutely no sense at all.
Most planes are shielded from electrical interference. But it does in fact effect their instruments, that's why they are shielded. They still impose those devices off just in case, never know if something is improperly shielded, or not working correctly.
I know what they say. I am saying that is a waste of time, silly, and incorrect. Most people that have been in a crash died in that crash. And I am pretty sure the people that survived did not do so because they weren't listening to music. A fact apparently unknown to pilots: Passengers will also notice a crash. Really. Might even pull out the headphones right then.
Perhaps we should ask the 155 passengers of flight 1549 whether headphones mattered.
Pretty remote. The fact is if consumer electronic devices (on or off) are a danger to aircraft in any phase of flight than the entire commercial airline fleet should be grounded immediately.
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If that were true, they would ban headphones...
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Just a couple of points. If you believe the 10 minute statement, you either don't fly much or only fly out of very small airports. The time from when they tell you to turn off electronic devices until the time they tell you to turn them on is very often more than 30 minutes and routinely over an hour. Why do you believe I should not use my Kindle during that time? Any reason at all?
I would like it If the explained it/got rid of it! For me take off and landing is the point where I grab the inflight mag and concentrate on it so much to avoid the straining of the engines and so on and so forth that only us gifted with the fear of flighting hear!
EDIT: I'd much rather be looking at something on my iPad!
EDIT: I'd much rather be looking at something on my iPad!
sure, if that is how you want to frame the situation. i can't expect the FAA to regulate crying babies, both over and under the age of 3. For me, its not about people using the electronics. It is how loud and unruly people will get becuase now they are "allowed" to use them. At least if they remain restricted, people might attempt to be hush and private about using them. but again, its never a guarantee, people don't like being told what to do.
sure, if the FAA can provide those 15 minutes of peace after putting up with checkin, security and boarding hassles at JFK, i'm all for it. i've lived and worked in a large city and have dealt with crowds of people. i also can escape and get away when i've had enough. i can't do that in a metal can about to hurl through space. Don't tell me not to fly (i don't like being told what to do either
). Maybe you have been fortunate that the places you fly to have civilized people aboard. Social disorder may be overexaggeration, but the veil of socity is very thin and it doesn't take much to trigger pack mentality behavior. One or a few people talking may be tolerable, but then the next person can't hear who they are talking to, so they talk louder. As a result other people can't hear so they talk louder. So on so forth.
How do you know peoples talking behaviors aren't already modified because of the ban being in place? "Honey, I got to be breif because we are about to take off..." can easily turn into non-stop gab fest if the rules are lifted.
We've already lowered our expectations of the flying experience. Are you really promoting we lower it more and find it acceptable to have to put up with inconsiderate passengers?
no.. i'm promoting that i (as in my own personal opinion) don't think you're painting a very real picture as to what the real life outcome would be if this ban were lifted..
That has not been my experience at all. People playing games on a phone/tablet are quiet and unobtrusive IME. Sure, phone calls can be loud and annoying, but like I said, that's all the time every day.
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Tenerife had nothing to do with communications inside the aircraft affecting the instruments in the flight deck.
That incident results from two different aircraft trying to transmit on the same frequency (Tower's frequency) at the same time, producing a heterodyne (pretty much static/garbled communication), making neither transmission readable. Again, none of that, coming from any kind of radio interference from within the aircraft.
If anything, NWA188 would have and should have caused worse damage, as that was the A320 that overflew their destination by 150 miles, because they were busy on their laptops in the flight deck, which should have caused more interference with the radios and FMS than anything PAA or KLM did at Tenerife. Yet it did nothing to the aircraft.
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I spoke with a pilot about this last year. He said there IS a difference between your iPad and the ones they were approved to use. The iPads they used in the cockpit were modified so that the WiFi could not be turned on (and they had no cellular capabilities either). They were only able to be synched with the airline's apps using a cable. No loading of unapproved apps.
So the idea that the pilots are behind that locked and reinforced door playing Words with Friends, or Angry Birds on their flight iPads is not valid. They may be doing that, but it would have to be on their own personal iPads, not the ones issued by the airlines.
About fifteen years ago, I met a different pilot who told me that most pilots smoked like chimneys. The cockpit has its own air system, separate from the cabin. This may not be true any more (the smoking, I mean).
Perhaps the airlines could allow passengers to keep their cellphones or tablets on during takeoff and landing if the passengers agreed to have their devices similarly crippled. Then everyone is happy, right?
Just a lack of thought. There is no data to support the FCC. None. Zero. Nada.
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There is no interference. None. Zero. Nada. There is no scientific data. None. Zero.While phones & tables may be safe to use in flight, I certainly hope the decision to allow them will be based on something a tad more scientific than "I use my phone on planes, and I've never died in a plane crash".
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It has to do more with the god-d-mm ****** passive aggressive flight attendant who has probably less than a college degree, let alone any knowledge of electronics who tees me off. Sure, I could wait, but that smarmy idiot who is telling me what to do, when their aircraft is sitting on the tarmac waiting for 60 minutes due to overcrowding flight slots...yeah, I'd like to tell her or him where to shove it.
This is a classic case of reductive reasoning. You are not entitled to an "explanation" for every rule you must follow.
And a rule prohibiting this type of device would prevent implementation HOW?
It woudn't even matter if they were unsuspectingly or intentionally using the device, any rule would be completely pointless for stopping it.
They do (during takeoff and landing) but probably because headphones are probably connected to your iPod. Banning headphones (esp.noise cancelling ones) might make sense since they really could stop people hearing announcements - plus if you did have to get out in a hurry, somebody is going to garrotte themselves on their headphone leads (they already pack away all the blankets).
This 'no electronics during takeoff' was no great problem to me until I started using a Kindle. Previously I'd read a book during the 30 minutes of faffing around at either end (you're right - anybody who says "10 minutes" hasn't flown much).
If they really wanted people to listen to announcements then they could always try not bombarding us with so many stupid, rambling announcements from the moment we walk into the airport that we just learn to shut them out and miss the important stuff.
Total and utter BS. Sure, let's wait another 10 years since nobody can prove anything. Gee, why do you even fly?
Seriously? There are plenty of projectiles that are not banned. They also can enforce the "put the s^&*( in the seat pocket or on the floor under the seat" rule, if that's the concern.
I fly about 4-6 times a month and haven't turned off my phone, ipad, or put it on airplane mode - EVER. Oh, and no plans to do so. I'm just ahead of my time in terms of the policy and being a jerk about following it.p
They want you to turn them off because they don't have time to take your device away from you and verify that it really is in airplane mode. And since you ignored the rule to turn it off, they certainly can't trust you.
The fact that you are willing to ignore the rule because you don't think your device is causing a problem suggests that there are other passengers who believe that leaving the cellular and wifi radios on is okay, and are going to think that it's okay because you are still using your device, too. The guy behind you has a short-wave radio, and he is just following your lead.
Remember that scene in Airplane! where the stewardess slaps the hysterical passenger, then someone pulls her away and punches the passenger, then the camera follows along a line of people with more and more severe weapons (brass knuckles, maces, etc.) waiting their turn at "calming down" the distressed passenger.
So nice to see all the qualified Electrical Engineers that are willing to take the safety of their fellow passengers into their own hands because they "know" what is safe and what is not safe.
I am confident we will get approval ultimately for the use of the electronics from takeoff to touchdown, but it will NOT include the use of the "cellular" functions of the phones or devices. So your "practice" of violating the regulations is not what is going to be determined to be safe, or permissible. But we live in a world of people who seem to know "what's best".
I fly back and forth to Maui on a regular basis and never bother to power down my devices. This is just a FAA power stuggle, simple as that. I do have to agree I'm not up to listening to some loud mouth jabber on the phone for 4 or 5 hours either... Do you really think big wigs flying around in their private jets follow these "rules"?