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KensaiMage

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And super retina oled diaplay! What do you think? Are there any chances to see such a beauty anytime soon?
 
Yes. It will come out soon. As in one year. That is very soon. Or do you want slow soon? Were you thinking of other types of soon?

The answer is YES to all of them.
 
6 core 15" yes. Intel will ship the 6 core 45 W version of Coffee Lake next year. I am sure Apple would love to use it.

Face ID perhaps, Windows laptops have had it since Windows 10 shipped under then Widnows Hello. It works very nice in those systems. Detects even the difference in "identical" twins and cannot be spoofed by pictures.

32 GB , not for awhile until low power parts are available.

I would love to see an OLED display. It is likely because LG and Samsung are using them in their laptops and they are suppliers to Apple. And they consume less power and run cooler, which means longer battery life. Hopefully since they do not need a dispersion panel for the backlight, an OLED display will cure the screen rattle issue that occurs in some MBP units.

Depending on Intel's schedule these could be in units by the time of WWDC (June 2018)
 
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6 core 15" yes. Intel will ship the 6 core 45 W version of Coffee Lake next year. I am sure Apple would love to use it.

Face ID perhaps, Windows laptops have had it since Windows 10 shipped under then Widnows Hello. It works very nice in those systems. Detects even the difference in "identical" twins and cannot be spoofed by pictures.

32 GB , not for awhile until low power parts are available.

I would love to see an OLED display. It is likely because LG and Samsung are using them in their laptops and they are suppliers to Apple. And they consume less power and run cooler, which means longer battery life. Hopefully that will cure the screen rattle issue that occurs in some MBP units.

Depending on Intel's schedule these could be in units by the time of WWDC (June 2018)
Sounds amazing!

To other repliers, soon ~~next wwdc
 
kensai, have u bought anything in the meantime? Or still waiting and opening threads?
 
6 core 15" yes. Intel will ship the 6 core 45 W version of Coffee Lake next year. I am sure Apple would love to use it.

Face ID perhaps, Windows laptops have had it since Windows 10 shipped under then Widnows Hello. It works very nice in those systems. Detects even the difference in "identical" twins and cannot be spoofed by pictures.

32 GB , not for awhile until low power parts are available.

I would love to see an OLED display. It is likely because LG and Samsung are using them in their laptops and they are suppliers to Apple. And they consume less power and run cooler, which means longer battery life. Hopefully since they do not need a dispersion panel for the backlight, an OLED display will cure the screen rattle issue that occurs in some MBP units.

Depending on Intel's schedule these could be in units by the time of WWDC (June 2018)


Apple does not depend on newest Intel CPU to sell their Macbooks
 
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Face ID perhaps, Windows laptops have had it since Windows 10 shipped under then Widnows Hello. It works very nice in those systems. Detects even the difference in "identical" twins and cannot be spoofed by pictures.

If I understand this correctly, Apple's Face ID is a more sophisticated system. Windows Hello uses two cameras to compute the image difference and compute a 3D coverage map. Apple's solution uses an infrared dot to map out the spatial features, so its probably going to be more accurate and more secure (I'd also guess thats is much more compute-intensive). Right now this tech is probably very expensive and also too large for a Macbook screen. I mean, Apple didn't even manage to put a high-quality webcam there due to panel thinness...

I would love to see an OLED display. It is likely because LG and Samsung are using them in their laptops and they are suppliers to Apple. And they consume less power and run cooler, which means longer battery life.

Still, in practice the existing OLED solutions are technically inferior to Apple's LCDs in all parameters except maybe contrast...
 
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If I understand this correctly, Apple's Face ID is a more sophisticated system. Windows Hello uses two cameras to compute the image difference and compute a 3D coverage map. Apple's solution uses an infrared dot to map out the spatial features, so its probably going to be more accurate and more secure (I'd also guess thats is much more compute-intensive). Right now this tech is probably very expensive and also too large for a Macbook screen. I mean, Apple didn't even manage to put a high-quality webcam there due to panel thinness...

What is an infrared dot?

Windows Hello does used near-IR illumination and I think you are correct about using 2 cameras. This makes the Intel Real Sense camera module that many laptop manufactures use for Windows Hello too big for a phone, but fine for the bezels in a laptop.

Perhaps Apple's implementation is complex because of the size/power requirements of the phone implementation.
But there should be nothing that prevents Apple from using something like the Real Sense camera technology in the more spacious confines of a laptop screen bezel, unless they engineered themselves into a corner.

Still, in practice the existing OLED solutions are technically inferior to Apple's LCDs in all parameters except maybe contrast...

OLED has a lot going for it starting with contrast. Lower power consumption on many scenes is just the start. Apple's obsession with thinness will be better served with a paper thin OLED display and with bendablity Apple designers should be able to do something interesting. Having both OLED and LCD TVs I find the picture quality of the LG OLED to be superior.
 
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What is an infrared dot?

They project a infrared dot pattern and use the captured image to reconstruct the spacial properties. But after some more reading, I believe that Real Sense is using the same method after all...

OLED has a lot going for it starting with contrast. Lower power consumption on many scenes is just the start. Apple's obsession with thinness will be better served with a paper thin OLED display and with bendablity Apple designers should be able to do something interesting. Having both OLED and LCD TVs I find the picture quality of the LG OLED to be superior.

I don't doubt that OLED tech is superior. Just pointing out that Apple is sticking with LCD for now, because current OLED laptop panels won't be any better. In fact, looking at reviews, it seems that Apple's displays offer same or better energy efficiency, while offering much better brightness and color spaces. I'm sure that Apple will eventually move to OLED or some other new display tech. It took them quite a while to adopt OLED in the iPhone, simply because they were not happy with color accuracy and other things of existing OLED designs.
 
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