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That’s a great idea, the USA should do the same. Nothing like fair use. Imagine some people whine when firms like Amazon and Apple take a commission for doing business on their platforms, yet these firms freely take other companies work and give it away to make money for themselves
Well you wouldn’t have google/bing/DuckDuckGo, Twitter, YouTube and even this site. As long as people share a fragment (not the entire content) and give credit, I don’t think it’s wrong at all. In fact, it helps the website being linked A LOT. As a matter of fact, blogs actually pay other blogs and Facebook group owners to share their content. Referral traffic is often more valuable than ad traffic.
 
I guess Apple should be paying Australia too? After all, I often text links to news stories to my friends. Imagine all the news stories getting shared over text that those companies aren’t getting any money for?

Oh wait, they do. The vast majority of News outlets are also digital advertising (not subscription) driven just like Facebook. They need the links so their ads get clicks. Facebook doesn’t share entire news stories, Facebook just shares a headline and enough teaser text to get you to click the link.

Side note - I am also astounded at the amount of vitriol here. I used to come to MacRumors because I thought it was filled with intelligent people giving insightful commentary who understood technical issues.

I get that this is a complicated issue that has a few ways of looking at it, but most of the folks on here are just ranting that they hate Facebook so, anything bad for Facebook is good. That’s just foolish and shortsighted and the kind of hyperbole I can get on Facebook if I wanted.
 
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FB should have to pay ... their essentially a news book shelf and you sharing wares of news - looses paying the actual content creator of that news.
Instead of being forced to pay for this content, they just decided to stop carrying it. Seems pretty fair to me. You should be happy with this move, as they are no longer using the content, ensuring that people can only go to the primary source for it.
Not just the topic or the pics ... sometimes the news article written itself may have relevant or exclusive content and thus should be paid for. Not everything you read is for free.
You think the content has great value, Facebook disagrees with you. You think the writer generates the most value, Facebook thinks the aggregator does. In a few months we will see who is right.
 
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I don't feel a need to pick a side on this one.

What I cannot fathom is how we allowed a company to become so powerful, monopolistic and anticompetitive that it can actually pick a fight with a sovereign state on the other side of the planet.
Australia is a tiny market. They only 65% the size of California. Facebook serves a world wide audience and has over a billion users. Australia provides at most 2.5% of Facebook’s audience. However, in many respects, you have things reversed. They are not picking a fight with Australia, Australia’s government decided to bribe its local media with someone else’s money.
I live in the UK where Parliament summoned Zuk to give evidence. He didn't come and I don't think he cared. To me that should have been a point for the UK to start pulling its market away from Facebook. If companies don't play by the rules then they should not get to play at all.
I hate Facebook and only use it begrudgingly, but the only reason it is interesting at all is the combination of its scale and reach. There is no real way for there to be two Facebooks, as people go there because that is where the people are.
 
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I don’t have a problem with this, it’s no different from YouTube removing copyrighted movies and music from people’s uploaded videos.
It’s completely different.

Your YouTube example would be more like someone copying the text from a news article and posting that.

What this is, is disabling the ability to link to the authorized source of the information.
 
I’m from the UK. In Europe, the attitude is that we (generally!) see government as being positive & the ultimate legitimate power in our countries vs markets/companies.

We’re used to seeing it being active participants in markets with far more regulation than many other countries.

Whereas I’ve noticed in the USA, there seems to be a widespread attitude that (generally!) accepts that companies/markets are a force for good and that government should get keep out of their way as much as possible (US citizens - I’m happy to be corrected on this point 🙂).

So I guess, Australia is being a little more ‘European’ here.
I’d say that’s generally right for some segments of American.

if I don’t like what a company is doing, it’s pretty rare that I have to interact with that company. If I don’t like what the government is doing, there’s really no escape, especially from the federal government.
 
Facebook wants total control over the content individuals are allowed to consume when it comes to the news. Big Brother Tech would like to Fact-Check your life.
 
Unless I'm massively misunderstanding this, I'm with Facebook on this issue. Sharing news content on Facebook just puts up a preview and a link to the publisher's website, right? Why should Facebook have to pay for that? They're not reposting stories, and the publisher gets the traffic from Facebook. Maybe I don't understand, but it sounds stupid to me.
Exactly. Maybe FB should also pay ad publishers.
 
Relying on scumbook for your news and business is the real problem, can't believe people still use scumbook. Pure filth of a company.
 
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Both our Government and Facebook are evil, pretty much. Personally I have been thinking of deleting my account to get rid of time suckage, and I think this is the perfect excuse.
 
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The problem with FB’s argumentation is that it is far too obvious that it iso their fear about their income. It’s the same as with their fight with Apple. It has nothing to do with protecting small developers etc, it is FB worried that they will loose out.
 
I don't really get it. Don't news outlets need people to share links to articles to gain traffic and as a result clicks which result in ad revenue? Why do Facebook have to pay someone if I decide to share a link to a news article?
Simple, you can share a URL, there is no need to share the actual article.
 
I think the Australian government should just come out and say
"We think we need a closer look at how the likes of Facebook, Google, Apple, etc are taxed here in Australia, and if we should look at how tax havens are used to siphon profits to avoid taxes"
 
You are being deliberately one sided with the facts here. That material shared on Facebook brings eyes and ad revenue to Facebook that far rivals the eyes and revenue that those media outlets gain. By a factor of around 10 to one. It isn’t just social relevance. It is very much a driver of their revenue.
Additionally, Facebook tracks, records and sells the data metrics you develop by clicking through to those sites. As a surrogate central body they have capacity to do this that no other individual media outlet has to achieve. They, without a shadow of a doubt are making far more money from each shared story than the news service itself is making - from material that they never had to put any energy or money into creating.
lt’s a government‘s responsibility to regulate this. Once upon a time the news agent down the street had to pay they newspaper printer for to copies of the paper they sold. Facebook should be paying the same.
So you are suggesting there’s symbiosis b/n the two, FB and media companies. So then there’s nothing to complain about. Reality is, media companies leverage FB to distribute and attract readers voluntarily while FB just acts as passive conduits. Now, media companies are trying to turn around and bite FB for it is functioning profitably. In practice, the reason why media companies have an increasing presence on FB is the fact that readers can discuss their articles, without those paywall restrictions on media’s own sites or their own sites don’t even bother to give readers any opportunities to comment. As such, it’s as media companies are palming services to FB. If media companies want even more traffic, then start to allow open commentaries and social discussions on their own sites. It’s a bit too bad if they refuse to transform their revenue models. Made worse by the fact that the Morrison govt was acting directly on behalf of Rupert Murdoch here who has just signed a contract with Google while small independent media outlets received nothing. There’s far more than what meets the eyes on this. FB is exactly entitled to walk away!
 
Simple, you can share a URL, there is no need to share the actual article.
As on a smartphone, tablet or on a computer, FB doesn’t share the actual article but shows the headline. When clicked into it, a browser opens up and take the reader to the original site for the full article with all site advertising present. What’s wrong with that?
 
News outlets have trouble generating ad revenue, because Google and Facebook dominate the ad market. So even when traffic reaches the news outlet, Google and Facebook already grabbed the majority of available ad money. In the eyes of the news outlets this is not "fair", so they want a part of the ad revenue from Google and Facebook.

It's similar to how in the pandemic restaurants have problems staying afloat, but online order/delivery services make a lot of money. Is this "fair"? Or how coffee farmers make hardly any money, but Starbucks makes a ton. Is this "fair"?

It's a political question. And Australia gave an answer.
It just means those old media companies need to reform their business model and be compatible with the real world, as for those restaurants that opened delivery services during the pandemic lockdown. Rupert Murdoch doesn’t want to, so put pressures on both Scott Morrison Liberal-National and the opposition Albanese Labor to enact this law. It helps when Murdoch controls 50% of the media there, importance demonstrated by LNP election candidates would visit Murdoch in NYC before a federal election, for Murdoch can make or break a candidate. It’s dirty and corrupt!
 
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