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This boomer owns an Apple Watch....but no Facebook, Instagram, TikTok or you name it.
This boomer owns the AW Ultra (after a AW 7, 6 and 3). I use Facebook and Instagram love how my fossil trilobite posts for the trilobite group I co-admin are easy to add via instagram where I set them up and label the post. My three daughters use instagram and facebook and I see lots of photos of 7 grandkids, events we cannot make, invites for events for the grankids birthdays and such. And I am on several other facebook groups of friends. There is not an easy alternative to switch that elsewhere and move all these people. So I use FB, and make sure all the apple security restrictions are in place. Although once I order something on Amazon or online facebook knows within less than hour LOL
 
Nah, its a bigger overall strategy to move away from supporting Apple as everyone believes they've got far too powerful and dominant. It's just a case on who's the bravest to actually do it right now. GM are doing it by ditching CarPlay and support is dropping here and there for other apps and services. It seems everyone wants to embrace Google/Android as its more open and their software doesn't suck. You can see their point really. Apple got far too greedy and their software is abysmal and restrictive. It's holding other businesses back.
Yeah poor little Fakebook and Google they are being hurt by the big mean Apple who restricts their spying on us to sell us as a product. Apple just greedily makes money by selling us a quality (yeah more expensive but better built) product.
 
Interesting, especially because they are simultaneously starting to roll out WhatsApp for Wear OS.

Is Meta pivoting away from Apple?

Meta pivoting away from Apple.... started years ago. Did everyone suddenly forget that Meta (FaceBook's) Mark Zuckerberg and Tim Cook have had a long hatred and rivalry towards each other?

Did everyone forget that Apple's privacy changes was the primary reason why companies like Facebook nosedived on advertising revenue during 2021-22? Facebook stock value took a beating for many months, due to that.

Apple has always criticized Facebook for being a privacy invader troll. And that made Zuckerberg a sad panda. Or maybe an angry panda.

So now, what we see is simply FB retaliation: "We don't want anything to do with Apple."



February 3, 2022:

Facebook blames Apple after a historically bad quarter, saying iPhone privacy changes will cost it $10 billion

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Meta pivoting away from Apple.... started years ago. Did everyone suddenly forget that Meta (FaceBook's) Mark Zuckerberg and Tim Cook have had a long hatred and rivalry towards each other?

Did everyone forget that Apple's privacy changes was the primary reason why companies like Facebook nosedived on advertising revenue during 2021-22? Facebook stock value took a beating for many months, due to that.

Apple has always criticized Facebook for being a privacy invader troll. And that made Zuckerberg a sad panda. Or maybe an angry panda.

So now, what we see is simply FB retaliation: "We don't want anything to do with Apple."



February 3, 2022:

Facebook blames Apple after a historically bad quarter, saying iPhone privacy changes will cost it $10 billion

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Yep poor Mark Zuckerberg I am glad they cut FB off from feeding on us as their product. I wonder when they will stop their iOS apps? I use them (FB and Instagram ) a lot in groups I co-admin, family connections here (they use Instagram which posts to FB) for grandkids photos. I can move to safari browser of course but the apps on my iPhone and iPad are more convenient to use.
 
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I use a number of Watch apps all the time. Yes, they have accompanying iPhone apps, but they are interfaces of their own and most do not even require the phone to be with me when I'm using them. Apps like Gaia GPS, WorkOutDoors, Strava, Tides, Authy, Carrot Weather, are all interactive apps. But not FB Messenger. I only have a few rare reasons I have to use that, and stick to a private browser window for it.
 
Frankly the only third party app I use on the AW is Spotify, and that's only when working out. Mostly because Siri is really bad at playing artists and albums I tell it to.

Likely not many people use apps on AW, which is why many developers resigned from making them. And why Apple is trying to improve the OS with the widgets idea.
 
Nah, its a bigger overall strategy to move away from supporting Apple as everyone believes they've got far too powerful and dominant. It's just a case on who's the bravest to actually do it right now. GM are doing it by ditching CarPlay and support is dropping here and there for other apps and services. It seems everyone wants to embrace Google/Android as its more open and their software doesn't suck. You can see their point really. Apple got far too greedy and their software is abysmal and restrictive. It's holding other businesses back.
They're moving away from Apple because Apple is the one company with enough power to force them to respect customers' privacy and give them choice, with App Store privacy disclosure requirements and App Tracking Transparency. If Apple's focus and attention on privacy-conscious technology continues to gain traction, it may shut the door on society's acceptance of the mass data collection apparatus that companies like Google, Amazon, and Facebook/Meta have profited off of for nearly two decades.

GM wants to build their own subscription model for the in-car informtainment experience because they aren't satisfied enough with making profit on the sale of vehicles and ongoing service. Google doesn't care. They'll gladly cooperate to get access to millions of unsuspecting drivers, and collect your driving habits and personal data, which is insanely profitable to them at your expense. GM gets to keep the subscription profits. It's a match made in hell.

Same for Facebook, they just want to be on platforms that don't care what data they collect and what they do with it. Google has no problem being that enabler.

You're right that these companies believe Apple is getting too powerful and dominant. But specifically, they fear Apple's dominance over the market that is encouraging a pro-consumer direction in terms of personal data privacy that will lock them out of collecting your data without your explicit consent, forcing them to render services without you being forced to share unnecessary data with them, or giving you control back over how that data is collected, shared with other parties, and deleted when you want it to be.
 
They're moving away from Apple because Apple is the one company with enough power to force them to respect customers' privacy and give them choice, with App Store privacy disclosure requirements and App Tracking Transparency. If Apple's focus and attention on privacy-conscious technology continues to gain traction, it may shut the door on society's acceptance of the mass data collection apparatus that companies like Google, Amazon, and Facebook/Meta have profited off of for nearly two decades.

GM wants to build their own subscription model for the in-car informtainment experience because they aren't satisfied enough with making profit on the sale of vehicles and ongoing service. Google doesn't care. They'll gladly cooperate to get access to millions of unsuspecting drivers, and collect your driving habits and personal data, which is insanely profitable to them at your expense. GM gets to keep the subscription profits. It's a match made in hell.

Same for Facebook, they just want to be on platforms that don't care what data they collect and what they do with it. Google has no problem being that enabler.

You're right that these companies believe Apple is getting too powerful and dominant. But specifically, they fear Apple's dominance over the market that is encouraging a pro-consumer direction in terms of personal data privacy that will lock them out of collecting your data without your explicit consent, forcing them to render services without you being forced to share unnecessary data with them, or giving you control back over how that data is collected, shared with other parties, and deleted when you want it to be.
Yes my point as well. Apple makes their profit on the tech and software they sell us and they do not need to profit much off any data from us which they lets us keep local on our devices largely. Both have to do with models on how to make a profit I prefer apples path even though in general their better hardware is of course more expensive.
 
It's not a great sign that a number of apps are leaving watchOS when it seems that they are a good platform for it. I think things like communication apps are perfect on watchOS. Maybe Apple can incentivize watchOS apps, such as, for example, reducing their charge for regular apps if those apps also have an accompanying watchOS app.
 
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GM wants to build their own subscription model for the in-car informtainment experience because they aren't satisfied enough with making profit on the sale of vehicles and ongoing service.
Hmmmm...kind of like Apple and the App Store. Apple's App Store success has inspired other companies to build their own walled gardens, so to speak, and try to further monetize their customers. Apple is the largest subscription clearing house on the planet, raking in nearly $80B in "services" last year. I find it hilarious when Apple fans criticize the subscription model or complain about companies not supporting Apple in some way.

Apple is pretty much responsible for the subscription model infesting the consumer space and Apple very much limits access to their platforms. One article posted by another forum member in another thread about GM estimated that GM will make $2B/year from shifting to a homegrown entertainment system. Apple will make over $80B on "services" this year. So it's fine for Apple to limit access to their platforms (only one App Store! only Apple gets to monetize apps!) and rake in billions on subscriptions...but GM is the bad guy for wanting to do the same thing?
 
Hmmmm...kind of like Apple and the App Store. Apple's App Store success has inspired other companies to build their own walled gardens, so to speak, and try to further monetize their customers. Apple is the largest subscription clearing house on the planet, raking in nearly $80B in "services" last year. I find it hilarious when Apple fans criticize the subscription model or complain about companies not supporting Apple in some way.

Apple is pretty much responsible for the subscription model infesting the consumer space and Apple very much limits access to their platforms. One article posted by another forum member in another thread about GM estimated that GM will make $2B/year from shifting to a homegrown entertainment system. Apple will make over $80B on "services" this year. So it's fine for Apple to limit access to their platforms (only one App Store! only Apple gets to monetize apps!) and rake in billions on subscriptions...but GM is the bad guy for wanting to do the same thing?
Not the same thing at all. I never complained about the subscription model infesting the consumer space, as you say. Though I admit it has.

One of the largest auto makers in the world is enabling the monetization of data collection by Google, and at the same time cutting out options to circumvent it, like CarPlay. Millions of people will buy these vehicles not realizing that they signed up to have their privacy invaded in such an intrusive way, with navigation and driving data funneled up to the Mountain View Chocolate Factory, and will likely be surprised to learn that GM stopped including what has become a standard feature in most modern vehicles in order to ensure drivers don't have any other choice than to use their Google data collection software.

On the other hand, Apple isn't monetizing data collection. They make money by selling hardware and providing a platform to sell apps and services. In fact, they are one of the few, if only, who maintain decent standards that require transparency and data collection disclosure to prevent app developers and service providers from collecting information from the customer without knowledge or consent.

The last thing any of us need are third-party app stores with wild-west privacy rules (or lack thereof) enabling the likes of Meta, Google, and Amazon to scoop up all our private data without our knowledge, consent, or control. This is precisely why Google is so eager to work with someone with the market share of GM to make their software the exclusive onboard navigation option. Outside of Apple, every other major platform maker is licking their chops waiting to suck up all our data for their own profit while doing everything possible to minimize what we know about what they collect, how they store it, who they share it with, and whether they can ever be required to disclose what they've collected or delete it.
 
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One of the largest auto makers in the world is enabling the monetization of data collection by Google, and at the same time cutting out options to circumvent it, like CarPlay.
Show me the evidence that they are doing this. All we know at this point is that they plan to build their own infotainment system. They haven't said how they plan to monetize it. They haven't given any details on privacy-related issues. You and everyone else harping about the loss of CarPlay are just catastrophizing with no evidence. In the end, you might be right. But for now it's just conjecture.

Millions of people will buy these vehicles not realizing that they signed up to have their privacy invaded in such an intrusive way, with navigation and driving data funneled up to the Mountain View Chocolate Factory, and will likely be surprised to learn that GM stopped including what has become a standard feature in most modern vehicles in order to ensure drivers don't have any other choice than to use their Google data collection software.
Privacy privacy blah blah blah blah blah blah blah privacy blah blah privacy.............

Who cares. You have no privacy anyway. The horror. Targeted advertising! Truly the end of the world. The narcissism of the privacy crowd always makes me laugh.

On the other hand, Apple isn't monetizing data collection. They make money by selling hardware and providing a platform to sell apps and services. In fact, they are one of the few, if only, who maintain decent standards that require transparency and data collection disclosure to prevent app developers and service providers from collecting information from the customer without knowledge or consent.
Again, who cares. People have been collecting and selling data forever. When I was in high school in the 1980s and had an indie record label, I used to buy mailing lists of peoples home addresses from magazines like Rolling Stone and SPIN. Google never sells your location, much less your physical address, to anyone. They make money collecting information about you and then selling access to your eyeballs in the form of targeting advertising. Is it unsavory? Sure. But is it the end of the world? Not even close.

The last thing any of us need are third-party app stores with wild-west privacy rules (or lack thereof) enabling the likes of Meta, Google, and Amazon to scoop up all our private data without our knowledge, consent, or control.
Why not? We're all adults here and can make our own choices. If you want to be coddled and nannied by Apple, you can stay within their walled garden. Nothing changes for you. Maybe other people are happy to let Google and Meta and Amazon track them and benefit from targeted advertising and services. Who are you to tell other people what they do with their device or data?

This is precisely why Google is so eager to work with someone with the market share of GM to make their software the exclusive onboard navigation option. Outside of Apple, every other major platform maker is licking their chops waiting to suck up all our data for their own profit while doing everything possible to minimize what we know about what they collect, how they store it, who they share it with, and whether they can ever be required to disclose what they've collected or delete it.
Blah blah blah... Unless you work for GM and are currently violating your NDA, you have no clue what GM and/or Google is up to. I'm so bored with the endless braying and catastrophizing by the privacy narcissists.
 
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Yep poor Mark Zuckerberg I am glad they cut FB off from feeding on us as their product. I wonder when they will stop their iOS apps? I use them (FB and Instagram ) a lot in groups I co-admin, family connections here (they use Instagram which posts to FB) for grandkids photos. I can move to safari browser of course but the apps on my iPhone and iPad are more convenient to use.


As for iOS apps.... I think that FB/Meta has too much to lose to completely "pull out". They are still making good revenue on Apple devices, even with the privacy limitations that Apple enforced on them.

The flip side to this also is.... that Apple itself really cannot implement a "ban" to kick off FB/Meta apps, even if it wanted to. I guarantee you that the very day that Apple attempts to "ban" Facebook from the Apple devices.... is the very day that 10 thousand lawyers and Attorney Generals will side with Facebook to sue Apple instantly. They will claim that Apple is using draconian anti-competitive practices.... and Apple will lose immensely.

Just look at what happened when Apple kicked out EPIC Games from the App Store. EPIC is a much smaller and weaker company than Facebook, and Apple also had a strong legal case because EPIC blatantly violated Terms of Services. And yet the result is a very tight legal battle, for several years now, that battle will result in European nations imposing sanctions and forcing regulations to weaken the App Store ecosystem.

That's just with Apple picking a fight with a small gaming company. Imagine if Apple attempts to ban Facebook/Instagram from its App Store? Apple will very certainly get slaughtered in the courts.
 
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fb messenger is one of the very few reasons I still have my fb account active (some friends just insist on using it as their main messaging app) and at the same time I definitely use my Apple Watch for quick replies. Although I don't mind the fact that there are less and less reason to use facebook I do mind that fact that Apple Watch keeps losing support and features, it was supposed to go the other way around
 
Wondering how many people this will affect? The only Watch app cancellation that bummed me out was Uber. That was useful for me.
 
Nah, its a bigger overall strategy to move away from supporting Apple as everyone believes they've got far too powerful and dominant. It's just a case on who's the bravest to actually do it right now. GM are doing it by ditching CarPlay and support is dropping here and there for other apps and services. It seems everyone wants to embrace Google/Android as its more open and their software doesn't suck. You can see their point really. Apple got far too greedy and their software is abysmal and restrictive. It's holding other businesses back.
When you’re not paying for the product, you are the product. I don’t use Google products, except for an email address I use for online accounts. And I would sooner ride my bike than buy a car that not only does not OFFER the convenience of Apple CarPlay, but makes using Google/Android the default option. GM is just greedy, and they want your data. Not in a million.
 
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With ads now showing up everywhere, even in paid services, it’s only a matter of time before Apple does on the Watch what they did on the phone and decide that they would actually like to push ads to users as well so maybe it is actually ok for third parties to use push for ads.
The day Apple does that is the day I dump my Apple Watch for a dumb one, or uninstall all apps from it and keep just the Fitness and Wallet stuff.
 
I don't care about this app at all, but I am discouraged by the amount of apps fleeing the Apple Watch. My goal was to get rid of my phone, but this is going in the wrong direction. Now I am considering not getting a new watch.
 
Strange. It’s June 3rd and I’m still using it

I haven’t updated the app on the phone so maybe that’s why
 
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