FaceID and Jealous / psycho partners :-)

stocklen

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Just a thought.

A friend of mine has had 2 jealous and insecure partners in the past who have taken their iPhone and used their fingerprint on touch ID to unlock the phone whilst they slept...

This is abhorrent behaviour to be honest...

However, if the rumoured FaceID unlocking is coming on the next iPhone, wouldnt it be even easier for someone to pick up your phone and unlock it just by pointing it at your face? Obviously the phone wont know whether its you holding it...

So it seems a step backwards in security to me!
 

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I am thinking that Apple might require the passcode entered to use Apple Pay with the 8. It will be a step back but the banks make the choice as to if they think it is safe to use, not Apple.
 

stocklen

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something just feels off about having exclusive faceID with no touchID.

Unless its way better, way more convenient, secure, just as fast and reliable.... of course thats OK then.

But im still concerned how much easier it will be for your phone to be unlocked without your knowledge (whilst sleeping) or under duress.
 

Dave245

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We don't know how it will work, i think it will need you to be looking at the phone so it wouldn't work if you are asleep for example, i'm not being funny here but it's not Apple's responsibility to deal with a psycho/jealous partner, your friend needs to be more careful who he/she is dating! The security on Apple devices is to protect you from the OUTSIDE world such as would be muggers and so on. Let's not jump to any conclusions about "Face ID" until Apple have announced it!
 

stocklen

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We don't know how it will work, i think it will need you to be looking at the phone so it wouldn't work if you are asleep for example, i'm not being funny here but it's not Apple's responsibility to deal with a psycho/jealous partner, your friend needs to be more careful who he/she is dating! The security on Apple devices is to protect you from the OUTSIDE world such as would be muggers and so on. Let's not jump to any conclusions about "Face ID" until Apple have announced it!
You are correct but I wasnt making any such assumptions.
The sad reality is that some lovely partners... or naughty kids.... etc will attempt such a thing.

Say you are right, and it will only work with your eyes open... then that covers the sleeping thing.

But your analogy actually stands for my point. OUTSIDE... if you got mugged.. then the mugger just needs to hold the phone up infront of your face to unlock it. Forcing a finger print might have been slightly harder I guess.

But thats besides the point i was making. Showing your face to a phone is way easier for a third party to do whilst the phone is not in your possession than a finger print scan.
 

Dave245

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You are correct but I wasnt making any such assumptions.
The sad reality is that some lovely partners... or naughty kids.... etc will attempt such a thing.

Say you are right, and it will only work with your eyes open... then that covers the sleeping thing.

But your analogy actually stands for my point. OUTSIDE... if you got mugged.. then the mugger just needs to hold the phone up infront of your face to unlock it. Forcing a finger print might have been slightly harder I guess.

But thats besides the point i was making. Showing your face to a phone is way easier for a third party to do whilst the phone is not in your possession than a finger print scan.
Your talking about an assumption that's not correct, no mugger is going to spend the time to stop take your phone hold it up to your face and then run, most muggers want to snatch your phone and go! But say you are correct, they unlock your phone it's still useless once the phone locks itself again which it will do after a few seconds!

All these situations were going around before Touch ID came out, people were saying it would never work, what if someone cuts off your finger and so on, it turned out to be (as I knew it would) blown out of preposition, and the same will be for "Face ID"
 

bluej3

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Just a thought.

A friend of mine has had 2 jealous and insecure partners in the past who have taken their iPhone and used their fingerprint on touch ID to unlock the phone whilst they slept...

This is abhorrent behaviour to be honest...

However, if the rumoured FaceID unlocking is coming on the next iPhone, wouldnt it be even easier for someone to pick up your phone and unlock it just by pointing it at your face? Obviously the phone wont know whether its you holding it...

So it seems a step backwards in security to me!
But why should one secure his/her phone from one's own partner. I don't understand.
 

aggie99

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I don't put anything on my phone I wouldn't want my wife to see. Any, uh, fun pictures that may be taken of her go to the hidden folder in photos. I do wish that folder could be password protected so that kids can't access it.
 
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Just a thought.

A friend of mine has had 2 jealous and insecure partners in the past who have taken their iPhone and used their fingerprint on touch ID to unlock the phone whilst they slept...

This is abhorrent behaviour to be honest...

However, if the rumoured FaceID unlocking is coming on the next iPhone, wouldnt it be even easier for someone to pick up your phone and unlock it just by pointing it at your face? Obviously the phone wont know whether its you holding it...

So it seems a step backwards in security to me!
Would suggest the problem is not with the iPhone. Rather friend has problem selecting correct girlfriends. Unless of cours your friend is precipitating this type of behavior based on his own actions. Never the less, I would council, the problem is not with Apple or the iPhone security systems.

Your friend could just enable password only unlock. So unless he sleep talks his password that should solve the security issue. Suggest a minimum eight character password. More is better.
 

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We don't even know if facial recognition is the new security. Nor do we know how Apple plans to implement it. People were talking if fingers being cut off to access phones with TouchID. For all we know the new system could be a multi factor system that only the owner knows. 3D picture that looks to eyes, blinking paterns... coupled with a tap the screen here and here.
 

HEK

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We don't even know if facial recognition is the new security. Nor do we know how Apple plans to implement it. People were talking if fingers being cut off to access phones with TouchID. For all we know the new system could be a multi factor system that only the owner knows. 3D picture that looks to eyes, blinking paterns... coupled with a tap the screen here and here.
What difference does it make. You know you gonna buy it, you know there will be an early shortage. You know there will lovers and haters. You know Apple will make tons of money on it.

Same old same old jeez.
 

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A friend of mine has had 2 jealous and insecure partners in the past who have taken their iPhone and used their fingerprint on touch ID to unlock the phone whilst they slept...
One person has had (2) different partners that have done this ? What are the odds ? Hell, at first, I thought you meant that their fingerprint was also set up to unlock the phone and they simply did it secretly and then, I presume, snooped through the phone. You're saying the person was asleep and they took the person's hand/finger and placed on the sensor to unlock it ? Damn !!

The security on Apple devices is to protect you from the OUTSIDE world
No, it's to secure one's phone from anyone other than themselves. We can choose to do things like share our PIN or add other people's fingerprint if we want to, of course. My wife knows my PIN and she told me hers although I forgot it. She uses 6-digits and it's a 'known' PIN but she added digits to the front or end - I don't remember.
 
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I believe in trust in a relationship...not searching through your SO's phones while they sleep. That's clearly destructive. Being in a loving, committed relationship doesn't mean you need to lose your individuality and become a singular entity. I think this is the problem with a lot of couples and its likely why so many get sick of each other and quit. Wanting to keep certain thoughts or conversations private is perfectly reasonable and in no way indicative of wrongdoing. If you feel like your partner should be privy to every personal conversation you've had with friends, parents, whomever...that's your choice...but I don't think everyone would agree. Different things work for different people.
 

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I believe in trust in a relationship...not searching through your SO's phones while they sleep. That's clearly destructive. Being in a loving, committed relationship doesn't mean you need to lose your individuality and become a singular entity. I think this is the problem with a lot of couples and its likely why so many get sick of each other and quit. Wanting to keep certain thoughts or conversations private is perfectly reasonable and in no way indicative of wrongdoing. If you feel like your partner should be privy to every personal conversation you've had with friends, parents, whomever...that's your choice...but I don't think everyone would agree. Different things work for different people.
This! Exactly my thoughts, just because your with someone doesn't mean they own you or what you do, it doesn't mean they can go through your stuff or invade your personal space. We ALL have our private space and private time, whether that's in the bathroom or going for a run (like I do) no one wants to or should be with someone all of the time (24/7).
 

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You are correct but I wasnt making any such assumptions.
The sad reality is that some lovely partners... or naughty kids.... etc will attempt such a thing.

Say you are right, and it will only work with your eyes open... then that covers the sleeping thing.

But your analogy actually stands for my point. OUTSIDE... if you got mugged.. then the mugger just needs to hold the phone up infront of your face to unlock it. Forcing a finger print might have been slightly harder I guess.

But thats besides the point i was making. Showing your face to a phone is way easier for a third party to do whilst the phone is not in your possession than a finger print scan.
Even if the theoretical mugger unlocked your phone they still need an iCloud password to reset the device and remove the activation lock.
 
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KRG

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This isn't apples problem lol
True. Continuing my previous post...in a good relationship you wouldn't need any security, because you'd respect each other's personal space. It's not Apple's responsibility to intervene in a messy relationship lol.

Having said that, I don't think I'd feel very secure if anyone could pick up my phone and aim it at my face, even from obscure angles as previously reported, to get in. I think they'll have more security than that.
 

bluej3

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I believe in trust in a relationship...not searching through your SO's phones while they sleep. That's clearly destructive. Being in a loving, committed relationship doesn't mean you need to lose your individuality and become a singular entity. I think this is the problem with a lot of couples and its likely why so many get sick of each other and quit. Wanting to keep certain thoughts or conversations private is perfectly reasonable and in no way indicative of wrongdoing. If you feel like your partner should be privy to every personal conversation you've had with friends, parents, whomever...that's your choice...but I don't think everyone would agree. Different things work for different people.
Seeing someone's phone secretly is another thing. That is not correct but i am talking abt mutual transparency. For instance , i use touch id, and i have also stored my husband's finger prints along with mine. So it ultimately depends on each and everyone. In my opinion i am cool with that. As long as it protects from anyone other than whom i give access to it is good. In your opinion, it is not ok. That is alright. Everyone has different views. And I respect yours.
 

bluej3

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This! Exactly my thoughts, just because your with someone doesn't mean they own you or what you do, it doesn't mean they can go through your stuff or invade your personal space. We ALL have our private space and private time, whether that's in the bathroom or going for a run (like I do) no one wants to or should be with someone all of the time (24/7).
Of course, we can't be with someone all the time. But speaking of phones and privacy, it totally depends on each and everyone. I might have a different view so does everyone. I don't have to agree to everyone's view but i respect everyone's view.
 
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