Granted. But you were responding to somebody who was talking about about the fact that 3G video calling has been available for years. Your response only mentioned Skype. I just wanted to make sure it was clear to everybody involved that Skype is absolutely not the sole example of previously existing 3G video calling technologies - and that an officially ratified, truly open standard for 3G video calling already existed before Apple upped the ante with Facetime.
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Granted. But you were responding to somebody who was talking about about the fact that 3G video calling has been available for years. Your response only mentioned Skype. I just wanted to make sure it was clear to everybody involved that Skype is absolutely not the sole example of previously existing 3G video calling technologies - and that an officially ratified, truly open standard for 3G video calling already existed before Apple upped the ante with Facetime.
I have video calling on my N900. Annoyingly, the way the front camera was set behind tinted polycarbonate, the picture the other side gets is dark.
The plus points to this way is it works with Skype and Google Talk over wifi and 3g data. It also means you can talk with people on anything skype's video will work.
All of the signs here point to the fact that they are placating AT&T. By making it so you have to be in a voice call to initiate video and only being able to use wifi for the video, it's really inelegant a solution technically, but still means AT&T has no load on their network but gets paid for the voice conversation.
The plus points to this way is it works with Skype and Google Talk over wifi and 3g data. It also means you can talk with people on anything skype's video will work.
All of the signs here point to the fact that they are placating AT&T. By making it so you have to be in a voice call to initiate video and only being able to use wifi for the video, it's really inelegant a solution technically, but still means AT&T has no load on their network but gets paid for the voice conversation.
And the point I was making, before this thread got hijacked over semantics, is that it's not in the same volume and level of availability as the iPhone may end up being.
Fine, if you want I'll edit the post to edit my reference to "skyping" and the point will still be very much valid. Will that make you happy?
n900
my n900 has video chat via skype sip or google talk and it works just fine over tmobiles 3g they dont block it but with the new at&t plans u are getting 2 gig max wifi is the better way for you guys to do it as video chat burns data real fast i use mine on 3g from time to time but mainely on wifi but its nice to know i have the 3g option when i need it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz9zwfGKX20&playnext_from=TL&videos=fG7aKEElAN0
my n900 has video chat via skype sip or google talk and it works just fine over tmobiles 3g they dont block it but with the new at&t plans u are getting 2 gig max wifi is the better way for you guys to do it as video chat burns data real fast i use mine on 3g from time to time but mainely on wifi but its nice to know i have the 3g option when i need it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz9zwfGKX20&playnext_from=TL&videos=fG7aKEElAN0
read this artcle above even other phone manufacturers can use it thats a good thing purely open standard instead of hundreds of phones with hundreds of incompatable video chat software i like that we will be able to video chat with our friends no matter what phone os they use and no matter if they use skype fring googletalk etc etc all have the option to use the facetime standard so he is right apples is gonna be big cause they are the first to try to create a standard any manufacturer can use just like that are doing with html 5 face time uses sip technologies and the n900 has sip too any 1 who uses sip for videochat can all talk it will be cool to video chat with your friends and not have to worry if they have the right phone or not then the only requirement becomes that u have a videocam on the phone and not settling for a phone u dont want just so u can have one that works with what your friends and collegigues use gotta love open source technologies all skype has to do is add the facetime client to skype they are currently doing so and bam u can do cross network calls skype to apples facetime just like we do verizon to tmobile calls
http://gizmodo.com/5557484/what-is-facetime
...It's an open standard...
Meaning that other manufacturers could tap into the protocol if they want to. It's kind of like a standalone network, in a way; like a Skype, or an iChat. (Presumably, iChat is too loaded of a name for a industry wide standard, so they went with something brand-neutral, like FaceTime.) Says MacRumors:
[FaceTime is] Based on many open standards, h.264, AAC, SIP, STUN, TURN, ICE, RTP, SRTP, Apple going to standards body tomorrow to make FaceTime an open industry standard.
being able to use sip stun turn ice etc etc look some of those terms up all open source standards so apples controls the name it gave it service but because it based on open standards any other company can make their service compatable just have to name it something else im sure it wont be long before android phones nokia phones htc etc etc dont get this similiar technology and thats a good thing 1 video chat network instead of each phone manufacturer using incompatable ones
Steve said "on Wi-Fi until the end of 2010... ...to let the carriers get their stuff together".
So if tethering is any indication, we won't see FaceTime on cellular data until 2012, and I'm being 100% serious about that.
i can text people no matter what network they are on call them no matter what network theyare on and now thanks to apple soon will be able to videochat with people no matter what phone or network they are on
Good call. Tethering was such a mess, and we still don't know how that will really effect their network. So just imagine what chaos will ensue when video calling is available over 3G, even if AT&T thinks they are prepared. [cringe]
Hold on a tick. They said only iPhone 4 to iPhone 4, right? Am I missing something?
FaceTime is an open standard, so eventually Apple will offer it elsewhere.
and you could on every other phone that had video calling, hell I can even call someone in another country on a different make handset with a video call, unfortunatley apple has just dismissed that and introduced their own proprietary 'standard' which other manufacturers will have to leave their own industry wide standard if they want to be able to video call an apple product
= dick move by apple
I wonder if they will, though. Perhaps Microsoft might. Android maybe. But not without the same level of backlash as some Open Source folks were giving about H.264 in the HTML5 video tag.
Correct. Just because Apple submit it to a standards body doesn't make it a standard. The standards body may request changes which Apple may not like. The standards body may say we already have a "standard" for video/audio over networks so no thanks Apple.
Then after all then we need someone (developers, handset manufacturers etc) to adopt the standard and start producing clients to work on other hardware.
My experience of standards bodies is don't hold your breath. We're talking years!
Then after all then we need someone (developers, handset manufacturers etc) to adopt the standard and start producing clients to work on other hardware.
My experience of standards bodies is don't hold your breath. We're talking years!
Why do you have video calling?
Not yet. Do you have tethering?
See where he's coming from??
Apple was the first to use a standards-based audio/video solution over a network. I'm pretty sure they'll get in.
Indeed. The question for me is why doesn't Facetime just drop the resolution over 3G and use the open standard for this that already exists as part of the 3G protocols?
The networks would be perfectly happy (well, AT&T might not be, but every other network in the world) with this, they already have existing systems built in place for charging for it as per voice calls, and it would work cross handset manufacturers.
Phazer
You can get an android phone and video chat with anyone, anywhere, over the mobile phone network. And since the camera API is open to all, you can use a program of your liking too!
Or you can get a silly iPhone** and only video chat with other silly iPhones**, and only over a wifi connection. And since the Camera API is closed developers, I guess that means no skype video chats either..
** only works on iPhone 4. All other iPhones are not allowed.
Or you can get a silly iPhone** and only video chat with other silly iPhones**, and only over a wifi connection. And since the Camera API is closed developers, I guess that means no skype video chats either..
** only works on iPhone 4. All other iPhones are not allowed.
I'm curious why you chose to forgo reading all the above posts stating that FaceTime was available for developers.
Oh, trolling, right.