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Erm.... yes I really am from NZ, are you really from 'L'? or are you ashamed to reveal where you're from? Why would you question my location?

My point is that they haven't cloned the iPhone. they've may a lesser product that looks a bit like the iPhone, but it is inferior in many different ways. I don't believe for a minute that many people are going to be fooled into thinking this is an iPhone, but it'll sell because it looks cool. This isn't a case of copying a T shirt to sell in a market as the real thing - that's what a knockoff is.

It comes in a 'Apple branded iPhone' box. They tell customers that these are real iPhones, and they make a lot of effort to trick people that probably can't tell the difference.

It is a knock-off, it is a rip-off, and it is immoral. If they copied, like the 'Western companies' that you described, but branded it as an entirely different product, that would be a different matter. Microsoft isn't tricking anyone when they copy something. Microsoft isn't releasing their own version of Mac OS X, then marketing it as Apple Mac OS X.

Point is, they are lying to people.

Did it themselves?? Lol, dude, THEY make the real iPhones...

I meant "programmed the OS." It is clear that both the real iPhone and the HiPhone (or whatever this one is called) are made in China. That's not what I'm disputing. The fact that things like "Slide to Unlock" are wrong means they didn't just copy the OS from an iPhone onto their hardware.

Which means they did a pretty good job of faking the software. I wouldn't think it would be that "convincing," to someone who doesn't know a lot about an iPhone, anyway.
 
It comes in a 'Apple branded iPhone' box. They tell customers that these are real iPhones, and they make a lot of effort to trick people that probably can't tell the difference.

It is a knock-off, it is a rip-off, and it is immoral. If they copied, like the 'Western companies' that you described, but branded it as an entirely different product, that would be a different matter. Microsoft isn't tricking anyone when they copy something. Microsoft isn't releasing their own version of Mac OS X, then marketing it as Apple Mac OS X.

Point is, they are lying to people.

I wholeheartedly agree that marketing it as the real thing (no, not Coke) is wrong. But other similar products, like the Hiphone, are not marketed as the iPhone. Apple themselves ar guilty of copying others ideas, as are most other companies. Microsoft ripped many software developers off many, many times and got away with it. But American Big Business is immune from finger pointing and name calling?
 
That's insane.... The seller is listed, by the way, as having sold a bunch of "Detoxifying Colon Cleansers." What in hell?

Yes... these are sold along side fake iPhones due to the high levels of mercury and other PCB's in these Chinese knockoffs. (not really)
 
I wholeheartedly agree that marketing it as the real thing (no, not Coke) is wrong. But other similar products, like the Hiphone, are not marketed as the iPhone. Apple themselves ar guilty of copying others ideas, as are most other companies. Microsoft ripped many software developers off many, many times and got away with it. But American Big Business is immune from finger pointing and name calling?

No. Don't put words in my mouth. It's not like one company comes up with a feature and no one else is going to use it. If so, only one operating system would have a GUI, only one car would have wheels, and only one TV would be color. My point was the Microsoft doesn't market it's products as another's. Whether companies copy each other is a business issue, the problem in this thread is a consumer issue, which is what I have been commenting on.

You are right about the HiPhone, they don't advertise it as an iPhone.. But in the case of the phone mentioned in this thread, it clearly is marketed as an Apple iPhone. That was my point.
 
Anyone who doesn't understand China is out to reduce the West to ashes doesn't know history or current events. It galls me that Jobs outsources there. We Westerners "project" that because they are Asian, there is some "higher" moral code they adhere to (because we Western "capitalists" are so greedy or something).

This idea is patently wrong. There is so much corruption in China you can literally get killed for speaking out. It is still a totalitarian state, Marxist to the core, but they just allow the "sheeple" a rope's worth of phony capitalism to keep them from rioting. Someone makes too much money for the oligarchs? Forget it; you are out of business. The West needs to WAKE UP and quit thinking we are getting "cheaper" labor there. Nothing is free and they feel very free to help themselves to our patents, our intellectual property, and make knock offs of everything from our iPHones to Mercedes Benzes.

When Is Steve Jobs going to pull out of China? I know a lot of hard working people in California who wouldn't think of running an iPhone factory afterhours to make their own cheap knock offs. And if Steve did do work back in the West, even Western Europe, at least Apple could have better oversight of their factories: it wouldn't be a two day trip just to see where MacBooks are made. Apple, wake up.

iPhone manufacturing is actually subcontracted to a Taiwanese company who has manufacturing plants in China. These Taiwanese ODM's actually make most of the world's computers and electronics devices, and they own and actively oversee their manufacturing facilities. This is a different thing that some US company outsourcing their manufacturing to a Chinese company, where they realistically don't have much oversight over what might happen to their intellectual property.

Also, the knockoffs being made rely on very little insider or technical knowledge of the real iPhone. They are cosmetic ripoffs with completely different operating systems that require nothing more than a real iPhone to copy. Heck, the guided tour video at Apple.com is enough for most of these knockoffs. Most of them don't even have capacitance-based touchscreens to my knowlege, which gives you some idea of how much technology they actually share with the iPhone.

You think the factories that make real iPhones are actually churning out iPhone knockoffs at night? Why would would these crappy knockoffs need to be made by the same factories? The real iPhone could be manufactured at the North Pole by Santa's elves, and we'd still be seeing these crappy knockoffs.

And no, most of us don't believe there are any evil empires in the world. I think China (I guess I'll categorize a huge nation as one, like you have) would like nothing better for the US to continue buying stuff from them for many years to come. It's hard to sell something to a smoking corpse. And no, I don't automatically believe Western capitalists are evil too.
 
Did it themselves?? Lol, dude, THEY make the real iPhones.
I don't believe you understand the post you're replying to. It refers to the iPhone OS, and no Chinese company makes that. Point your fingers toward Cupertino. And unless "THEY" refers to "China" in general, this manufacturer does not make the real iPhone.
You have to understand how this counterfeit business works. In "daytime" they produce real western merchandise, electronics, clothing etc. Then they get paid by underground companies to use the same assembly lines and the same blueprints to produce cheaper models with cheaper components and no quality assurance.
That is largely apocryphal. While this does occur in a number of Asian factories (especially shoes and other general merchandise), its prevalence in the electronics industry is substantially lower than implied by this statement. It is quite difficult for a company to run at night producing the same hardware illicitly, as the component inventories would show discrepancies, and companies closely supervise valuable operations to avoid losing the contract.

Instead, close approximations sometimes take advantage of tooling, while supplying their own components and entering into their own contracts, right in broad daylight. The knockoff casings are made by uninvolved factories not subject to contracts, and until final assembly, the knockoff product does not resemble the original (it just looks like the internals of any number of electronic devices). An event like the counterfeit Cisco routers is fairly rare, where the exact same product was produced and illegally labeled by the same factory. Counterfeiters are usually smarter than that.

This product shares little to nothing in common with the actual iPhone in terms of components. It is merely an aesthetic attempt at a replica.
The chinese mock ups started flooding the market and since the quality was real bad they went out of business 2 years after their chinese venture.
It is much more likely that the company went out of business due to price competition in that particular market segment.

Outsourcing to China was probably an attempt to reduce costs and a failed bid to salvage a company with thinning profits. Outsourcing may have been the final nail in the coffin, but it's not likely the cause.

Even if resellers were accidentally buying the counterfeits (which would have to be more convincing than this HiPhone), and the brand image suffered, it was their lack of effort (or ability) to tighten control of their distribution channel that caused them to go out of business.
 
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They go for about 100 in China (so i am told) and about 200-250 USD here in Taiwan. However when they are selling them, at least in my experience, there is no deception. The prices may have come down since i saw it at the night market. The guy basically called it a fake Iphone. I decided to wait for the real thing. I hope they will release the iphone in Taiwan soon. I have been waiting forever. T
 
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