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Discussion in 'PowerPC Macs' started by paulwgraber, Jan 23, 2014.
What would the fastest PCI graphics card be for OSX in a G4?
I think Nvidia 5200FX (CoreImage) and Radeon 9200 (Quartz only) had pci models. Look on macelite for roms!
You will have to hack quartz to work on PCI.
I have a Radeon 9200 PCI in a B&W G3 tower and I would imagine its a great card. Unfortunately, as G4Fanboy said, there is no QE without some hacking (which I haven't done). The benefit is the 9200 PCI is a factory Mac card, I don't know that the 5200 ever came as a PCI Mac original.
It did, it came standard in Low End G5s.
But yeah, the Radeon 9200 and GeForce FX 5200 are about the best your going to do with PCI in that machine.
They are not bad cards for the machine they are going to be running in either.
It did not. Hrududu was discussing PCI cards. The 5200 that came in G5's were only ever AGP cards. All removable video cards after about 1998 where either AGP based or PCI-e based.
In The mac Elite Downloads there are 4-5 roms for pci/agp Fx5200
But none of them are from Mac cards and Apple never shipped a PCI 5200 card.
Why not do it the other way round. 9200-PCi for OS 9 and the 8500 you have for OS X (or get a 9800, as recommended in the other thread).
been reviewing this info the last few hrs
heres the culmination of my efforts^^
id have to say .. step 1.. make a hard decision pick re: operating system for the machine!
if its mac os 9 + you want to have "3D acelleration" the geforce 4 ti4600
may be the best performer "experience" on paper its not much better then the radeon 8500.. both these cards have the best driver support + performance
if u want to forego proper driver support for os9 i have read that the geforce 6800GT + radeon 9800 Pro both will work fine for mac os9 2D ("regular in the os-use") but not for games under os9... (who cares about os9 games tho lol) and allow u to dual boot between os9 + osx
if u want for mac os x the radeon x850 XT, radeon X800 or radeon X800 SE are great choices
or a Geforce 7800 GSis said to be the king for mac g4 i think this is based on experience as the numbers are clearly inferior to a radeon x850XT by over 100mhz on the core clock
personally i have found anything higher then a geforce4 mx to be totally usable inside mac os 9 and much quicker then the base ati rage128,ati rage128pro,geforce 2mx cards.
the geforce 4 mx has (according to gpureview.com) a 275mhz core clock, similar to the ati radeon 9000 pro, and ati radeon 8500.
check my chart for ez understanding, i color coded each column
(red,orange,yellow,green,blue from lowest -> highest)
to answer the op's original question for PCI cards (not agp)
looking at newegg just yesterday for pci graphics cards revealed this info:
Geforce FX5200, NV34 @ 250 MHz, 6.4GB/sec
Geforce 6200, NV43 @ 300Mhz, 8.8 GB/sec
radeon X1300, RV515 @ 450 MHz, 8 GB/sec
Geforce 8400GS, G84 @ 567 MHz, 5.328 GB/sec
Geforce 9400GT, G96 @ 550 MHz, 25.6 GB/sec
Geforce GT210, ? http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187211
Geforce GT610, ?
radeon HD5450, "Cedar" @650 MHz, ?
i would love to be able to test all of the above cards to see what would work..
i would bet it is possible to get some of them to work! between flashing + drivers..
i think that the geforce 6200 would be the safest bet.. but this card has known compatibility issues with an mdd, i assume you are asking to add third + fourth displays to an agp capable system? or are you asking for a b&w upgraded g3 that only has pci slots? everyone references a 9200 pci being the best u can do on a g3 b&w (the powercolor 9250 pci and other cards have issues with PCI 2.2 spec compatibility only working on 2001+computers that adhere to this pci 2.2 spec (over the old pci 2.1 spec, for the actual slots) this 9200 pci version seems to be hard to find to (all i could find was 9250's)
anyway hope i offered some useful info!
happy retro mac'ing
Some of these cards you mention from newegg are not PPC, or am I wrong? So how will they help the OP? Still leaves the 9200.
(But good job doing the list! Thanks for that overview. I'd like to add, there is in fact a AGP 2x 9800 as a flashed one, source themacelite 9800 buying guide. Also, I have a 9800Pro 2xAGP PC-Card, but did not flash it by now. You also have the x850 with no PPC support listed. Wasn't there a flashed version?)
I experienced, you can find the 9200 on Ebay more often and they go very cheap. (Some of them might be flashed, which leaves them as "no 3D in OS9", since flashed cards do not provide 3D acceleration in OS9, although the original does. On themacelite there is a guide to resolder some points on a 9000, to enable 3D under OS 9 on a flashed card, maybe that works for a 9200, too.)
There was an OEM Mac ATI X850 for the G5. It's the most powerful retail/OEM Mac card for G5's. Still though, if one isn't going to be running OS 9, a flashed GeForce 5200 is the best PCI card.
If I remember correctly, the OP had bought a 8500-AGP for OS9-use. OK, with the 5200-PCI he gets CoreImage for OS X, but I am still a bit confused, if there is not a more ideal way of utilizing the AGP/PCI Slots for a combo of OS9/OSX. I do no want to say I am questioning the combo of the 8500/5200, but I say I don't know, if it is the best in a given scenario.
But maybe OS9 is preferred here, hence the AGP card for OS9.
OP, how would you describe your aims and needs?