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Quit being so elitist. Dude lived in a pretty big house with pool, ...
He was a really angry guy who shouldn't have even been allowed near guns legally. He lived a pretty comfortable life but he was a messed up person.

Anyone assuming that this person must have been this dirt poor redneck with no nice things has zero idea of humanity.

Rich, poor, impoverished, silver spoon in mouth, anyone can become the evil we witness in these events.
 
It’s based on the San Bernardino case where the FBI was kicking and screaming to gain access to that phone. Stop acting so smug.

Oh! You’re now saying you were replying over San Bernardino and not in anticipation of anything the FBI will soon be whining about over this development. I got it! I wrote it in pencil just in case it changes again.
 
Boy thank goodness the FBI can talk to his provider to learn who he called and when and what sms messages he sent. Then they can talk to Apple to find out what his iMessages were and anything that was backed up on the phone to iCloud (which is basically everything - by default I believe).

Its good to remember that the Russians hacked the NSA recently, stealing all their secrets for hacking into people's smartphones and computers - and those secrets are now in the open and being used by hackers on people's computers and smartphones. If the NSA and FBI had a magic key (clipper chip) for everyones smartphones - it would have been stolen and all our systems would be vulnerable now.

You can either have privacy / security for everyone or nobody. The FBI will probably use the horrific visibility of this case to push for such a back door - as if its the only way to get information, but normally just about everything can be found with or without cracking someones phone (it just requires effort and smarts). But such a back door would eventually leak out and make us all vulnerable - just ask the NSA. JMHO...
 
After last time I can see why. Apple is not willing to do anything out of the ordinary to unlock these devices and I agree with that stance to be honest.

Also the guy is dead and the motive is pretty much that he had a grudge with a family member and acted alone so I doubt there's much of any evidence on the phone leading to a larger conspiracy.
Apple knows that if they create a skeleton key, it could easily be stolen from the FBI and then released into the wild. It’s beyond me why that’s so hard for these federal agencies to grasp.

The FBI probably has ways to extract the data directly from flash memory by opening the phone, then running brute force decryption on it. It’s just slower than a skeleton key would be.
 
Wait until Trump blames on Apple for not helping when he himself is not willing to put a stop on gun violence.
 
Fair enough, I just don’t like the way that guy was replying to me. Have him on ignore now.
We all are probably on edge over this whole thing. A lot has been going on lately. I know that getting upset won't help or change a thing but hopefully everyone will soon band together and do something. Then less of us will wake up in the morning with a loss heavy in our hearts.
 
Really? Cuz from the looks of things, Apple reached out to help before anyone had a chance to complain. Also, where has it been written the FBI complained about anything? Aren't they still refusing to acknowledge the brand of phone?

"With the advance of the technology in the phones and the encryptions, law enforcement, whether it's at the state, local, or the federal level, is increasingly not able to get into these phones," Combs said yesterday.


Could you point me to a source? I’d like to read it. Thanks!

See above. From the press conference. Got that from the Ars Technica article on this subject.
 
You realize if the phone is rebooted you can't use your finger to unlock it right? I doubt that hick had an iPhone X btw...could you see a guy like that waiting in line with all the hipsters and part time baristas at his local Apple store? I guarantee you this shooting would have happened at the mall rather than the church if this was the case.
Can't count how many times i facepalmed while reading this ridiculous comment. As if we can only buy an iPhone just by lining up at the store and nothing else. He chose church because he's stupidly obsessed being an atheist.

I'm also irreligious, i'm agnostic actually but it's true that some irreligious are stupid like this shooter. You know, we will not gain anything from preaching irreligious stuffs. We don't even have anything to offer like heaven, second life, etc.. Yeah, it's tempting to share this stuff to others when you're finally enlightened and really sure about it.. but some people didn't mature or didn't realize that it's really stupid to push it to others.
 
Can't count how many times i facepalmed while reading this ridiculous comment. As if we can only buy an iPhone just by lining up at the store and nothing else. He chose church because he's stupidly obsessed being an atheist.

I'm also irreligious, i'm agnostic actually but it's true that some irreligious are stupid like this shooter. You know, we will not gain anything from preaching irreligious stuffs. We don't even have anything to offer like heaven, second life, etc.. Yeah, it's tempting to share this stuff to others when you're finally enlightened and really sure about it.. but some people didn't mature or didn't realize that it's really stupid to push it to others.

the **** are you going on about?
 
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See above. From the press conference. Got that from the Ars Technica article on this subject.

Thanks I read the article. I didn’t see any FBI complaint about this case. Actually they said they weren’t asking anything of Apple.

Here’s the two paragraphs following what you quoted.

We are unable to get into that phone," FBI Special Agent Christopher Combs said in a press conference yesterday.

Combs declined to say what kind of phone was used by gunman Devin Kelley, who killed himself after the mass shooting. "I'm not going to describe what phone it is because I don't want to tell every bad guy out there what phone to buy, to harass our efforts on trying to find justice here," Combs said.

The phone is an iPhone, The Washington Post reported today:

After the FBI said it was dealing with a phone it couldn’t open, Apple reached out to the bureau to learn if the phone was an iPhone and if the FBI was seeking assistance. Late Tuesday an FBI official responded, saying it was an iPhone but the agency was not asking anything of the company at this point. That’s because experts at the FBI’s lab in Quantico, Va., are trying to determine if there are other methods to access the phone’s data, such as through cloud storage backups or linked laptops, these people said.

https://arstechnica.com/information...-the-encryption-on-texas-shooters-smartphone/

I’m pretty clear on @dannyyankou’s comment now.
 
Face ID probably won't because you have to actively look at the phone, but touch ID might, although one can make the reasonable argument that it should be setup to where this can't be done.

#1, you can open a dead man's eyes unless he shot them out, so I think you're wrong there. Technically, you could even make him smile and do a cute ANIMOJI for Tim Cook!

But what reasonable argument would there be for Apple to make sure that cannot be done?

Because Timmy wants to protect the monster? C'mon give me one, anything of logical sense.

To protect a dead monster's rights over his victims and survivors? :(

Oh, and if you were Craig Federighi, you'd only get the HO HO HO response! :D
 
"With the advance of the technology in the phones and the encryptions, law enforcement, whether it's at the state, local, or the federal level, is increasingly not able to get into these phones," Combs said yesterday.
From that same article: "After the FBI said it was dealing with a phone it couldn’t open, Apple reached out to the bureau to learn if the phone was an iPhone and if the FBI was seeking assistance. Late Tuesday an FBI official responded, saying it was an iPhone but the agency was not asking anything of the company at this point. That’s because experts at the FBI’s lab in Quantico, Va., are trying to determine if there are other methods to access the phone’s data, such as through cloud storage backups or linked laptops, these people said." FBI doesn't seem to be complaining here.

Also from the article and inclusive of your quote:
"With the advance of the technology in the phones and the encryptions, law enforcement, whether it's at the state, local, or the federal level, is increasingly not able to get into these phones," Combs said yesterday.

Combs said he has no idea how long it will take before the FBI can break the encryption. "I can assure you we are working very hard to get into the phone, and that will continue until we find an answer," he said. The FBI is also examining "other digital media" related to the gunman, he said. -
Ars Technica
FBI doesn't seem to be complaining here either. In fact the paranoid in me wonders why the FBI is so calm and not pointing fingers at everyone. They should be screaming FUD about national security and crap. But they are just going to see if Quantico can get in some other way. la di da, la di do Thanks for offering help though. Bye. Mmmm hmmm.
 
Can't count how many times i facepalmed while reading this ridiculous comment. As if we can only buy an iPhone just by lining up at the store and nothing else. He chose church because he's stupidly obsessed being an atheist.

I'm also irreligious, i'm agnostic actually but it's true that some irreligious are stupid like this shooter. You know, we will not gain anything from preaching irreligious stuffs. We don't even have anything to offer like heaven, second life, etc.. Yeah, it's tempting to share this stuff to others when you're finally enlightened and really sure about it.. but some people didn't mature or didn't realize that it's really stupid to push it to others.

Are you sure about the atheist part? I couldn’t find any article that suggests that as a root cause.
 
No it's the freaking shooters fault. It's the military and their lack of competence to ensure this guy couldn't buy them legally. Sure, he might have still bought guns illegally. He might have still found a way. However, we will never know now, will we?

The lives he took couldn't be saved by looking through his phone. We can't undo the loss he rained upon my friend and her daughters. It won't change a damn thing now.

We know his motive, we know he bought guns legally for some asinine reason, and we know that we need to look into the reason why our gun laws failed here.

Really sorry for your loss...
 
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Thank you. It's still really hard to grasp just how quickly a life can be taken away. One day you are reading their post about wanting to go to a picnic, the next their family is writing that they are gone.

I can't be mad at Apple, the FBI, right now I'm mad at the guy. I'm frustrated with the military. I'm sad that I know this event isn't the first, nor will it be the last either.

How I wish it was.
 
You can either have privacy / security for everyone or nobody. The FBI will probably use the horrific visibility of this case to push for such a back door - as if its the only way to get information, but normally just about everything can be found with or without cracking someones phone (it just requires effort and smarts). But such a back door would eventually leak out and make us all vulnerable - just ask the NSA. JMHO...
What I bolded in your comment. That would be comforting. That would be predictable. That would be standard operating procedure for the agencies. Unfortunately, that's not what they're doing. That to me, is more worrying. For them to tell Apple, "Hey, thanks for offering to help, buuuuuuut we're going just go, uh ya know, in a different direction. Kinda just, like, let our boys at Quantico tickle that phone's undercarriage to see what it give up. <winks> But hey, if we need your help we'll call ya a'ight. <pats Apple on the butt>
 
The NRA can be crazy, but it does mean well at times. Unfortunately, even with NRA influence, the influence from arms manufacturers in the US line the pockets of congress far more than the NRA. And this is where I get off the train because I have very conflicting views on regulations and profiteering.
Same. As a prospective gun owner (no guns yet but soon), I'm frustrated with the gun regulations in California, especially because some of them seem purposed purely for inconveniencing gun owners. So I'm tempted to join the NRA because it seems my rights are under attack. But they're a lobby group, and half of them are also crazy, so no.
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What I bolded in your comment. That would be comforting. That would be predictable. That would be standard operating procedure for the agencies. Unfortunately, that's not what they're doing. That to me, is more worrying. For them to tell Apple, "Hey, thanks for offering to help, buuuuuuut we're going just go, uh ya know, in a different direction. Kinda just, like, let our boys at Quantico tickle that phone's undercarriage to see what it give up. <winks> But hey, if we need your help we'll call ya a'ight. <pats Apple on the butt>
Hey, Apple's fault for having a vulnerability in the device, if one exists.
 
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Forgive me, but I'm not sure what your comment means.
No worries. I actually might be misunderstanding you, but you're saying you're worried the FBI is cracking the iPhone without Apple's help, right? I'm saying that it theoretically shouldn't be possible anyway.
 
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