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This is not very different from saying:
"We are afraid smugglers are hiding a bag of cocaine in a house somewhere. Everyone should build transparent glass homes to stay safe!"

Do an online search for "cavity search lawsuit" if you want to see how out of control some LEOs are getting today. Here is just 1 example where the victim was strip searched, cavity searched then taken to a hospital for a more detailed cavity search with medical tools, forced to undergo an X-ray and a CT scan, an "observed bowel movement" and then she was billed $5,000 by the hospital for the medical procedures the police ordered to be performed on her. She maintained her innocence throughout the 6 hour ordeal and no evidence was found during all these invasive procedures.

https://www.news-herald.com/news/st...cle_76847318-9873-5bd3-b871-5a04984d8144.html

Yep, let's give these guys access to EVERYTHING on our phones and laptops. They will always use good judgment and would NEVER abuse their power over others.
 
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Thats' almost a bit like saying lets make everyone leave the doors unlocked.

Those that don't understand encryption even at a high level will always say we need a way to get through the encryption.
what would you propose to satisfy the requests of governments?
If there is a good reason to suspect terrorist intent then the phone should be unlocked
 
If there is a good reason to suspect terrorist intent then the phone should be unlocked

Who is stopping LEOs from unlocking phones? Under existing law, LEOs can get a court order to seize a suspect's phone. They're free to do what it takes to get into the phone.

That's not what's at issue here. What's at issue here is that Apple and other tech companies are unfairly getting flack for doing nothing but make it harder to law-abiding citizens to protect their data from government intrusion and hackers.
 
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If there is a good reason to suspect terrorist intent then the phone should be unlocked
Is the phone the only way one can catch a terrorist?
Should everyone leave their doors unlocked just in case one of them houses a terrorist?
What would you propose that makes it easy for law enforcement to be able to see if someone is a terrorist that means a hacker cannot drain my life savings from my bank?
 
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I would also imagine that most people would like the freedom to do what they'd like in their own bedrooms and homes. I would imagine this is a 4th Amendment issue ultimately...and Corporations are people these days...
 
Is the phone the only way one can catch a terrorist?
Should everyone leave their doors unlocked just in case one of them houses a terrorist?
What would you propose that makes it easy for law enforcement to be able to see if someone is a terrorist that means a hacker cannot drain my life savings from my bank?
Nice to see so much support for terrorists.
I prefer security and I'm sure most Americans feel the same way
 
Nice to see so much support for terrorists.
I prefer security and I'm sure most Americans feel the same way
I have no support for terrorists.
I do support that I have a right for my bank accounts to be secure.
Anyway accessing phones is usually done after the crime to secure a conviction.
Terrorists are going to secure their devices regardless of what the security agencies do.
All you really advocating for is that the general populous are less secure.
Maybe you like to have the warm fuzzy feeling that you are secure against terrorists, but just know it isn't going to protect you regardless

Perhaps explain why you think that insecure encryption is going to help against terrorists?
 
Nice to see so much support for terrorists.
I prefer security and I'm sure most Americans feel the same way

Evidence for that assertion that most Americans fee the same as you? If true,then you guys should get together and pass an amendment to the Constitution, for what is being hinted at now amounts to search without a warrant, something Constitution prohibits, be it popular or not.
 
Nice to see so much support for terrorists.
I prefer security and I'm sure most Americans feel the same way

You're right. Most Americans prefer security and so do I. That's exactly why we need encryption to be as strong as it can possibly be, even if that means LEOs can't easily break it. There is just no getting around the fact that a deliberately installed weakness in an encryption system is just as available to people who want do us harm as it is for LEOs to use.
 
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Encryption should not provide an "unfettered space" for criminals to hide behind, FBI Director Christopher Wray said today in an interview at the RSA conference, a cybersecurity event in San Francisco.

As noted by CNET, Wray said that while the FBI is not seeking backdoors in electronics, encryption needs to have limitations.

"It can't be a sustainable end state for there to be an entirely unfettered space that's utterly beyond law enforcement for criminals to hide," Wray said, echoing a position that law enforcement officials have taken on encryption time and time again.

Apple and other technology companies have been clashing with law enforcement agencies like the FBI and fighting anti-encryption legislation for years now. Apple's most public battle with the U.S. government was in 2016, when the Cupertino company was ordered to help the FBI unlock the iPhone used by Syed Farook, a shooter in the 2015 attacks in San Bernardino.

Apple opposed the order and said that it would set a "dangerous precedent" with serious implications for the future of smartphone encryption. Apple held its ground and the U.S. government backed off after finding an alternate way to access the data on the device, but Apple is continually dealing with additional law enforcement attempts to weaken encryption.

Multiple tech companies, Apple included, have formed the Reform Government Surveillance coalition to promote strong device encryption and fight against legislation calling for backdoor access into electronic devices.

Apple has argued that strong encryption is essential for keeping its customers safe from hackers and other malicious entities. A backdoor created for government access would not necessarily remain in government hands and could put the company's entire customer base at risk.

During the interview, Wray said that encryption is a "provocative subject" and he provided no additional insight into how tech companies might provide strong encryption for customers while also acquiescing to law enforcement demands for device access.

Wray did say that the U.S. is seeing an uptick in threats from "various foreign adversaries" that are using criminal hackers, which suggests the need for strong encryption is greater than ever.

Note: Due to the political nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: FBI Director Christopher Wray on Encryption: We Can't Have an 'Entirely Unfettered Space Beyond the Reach of Law Enforcement'
As a private citizen who is not a criminal, I want privacy from all snoops. Strong encryption should not be denied to any American.
 
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