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I have been using the Internet since 1996. So that means I used the Internet for roughly 20 years without Obama's "net neutrality". In timeframe, nothing you guys are warning about actually happened.

Prior to 2015, you could actually share an opinion online without being censored, banned, demonetized, and have your entire website effectively removed from the Internet. Ironically, since 2015 I have seen the absolute worst and most egregious censorship in the history of the Internet.

Put very simply, if Google and Amazon and Facebook are all on the same side of an issue, I know immediately that it is evil and should be fought against tooth and nail.

And yet you trust our current administration in government to take care of it all. *facepalm

If a store refuses service to a customer, they have that right. Same as any website you use. If you don't like it? DON"T USE IT OR SUPPORT IT. It's that simple.
 
We already have that. What is your point? I still feel like Net Neutrality was fixing something not really broken. It was always "this could happen" or "that might happen."
I'll explain it this way: have a website called "comcastsucks.com"? Well, Comcast has just now blocked your access to that site because it doesn't find it appropriate, rather than treating all traffic as equal. Scary reality considering the climate of our politicians screaming "fake news" at everything and Fox News being a propaganda machine.
 
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I have 7 BB options in the Phoenix area I live in. Heck, in little Rockford, IL (where I do lots of work) there are 5 loosed options.

First, Rockford, population 150,000, is not little. Second, it's 90 miles from Chicago along a heavily traveled tollway. Don't act like it's out in the sticks.
 
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My point is that net neutrality is a myth. Data is not treated equally - not by a long shot. Since 2015, it's only gotten worse and worse as each month passes. We don't have a free and open Internet. We have a heavily censored, throttled, and corporately controlled Internet.

It need to burn to the ground. That the evil corporate bastards like Google and Facebook are supporting "net neutrality" tells me everything I need to know about how it needs to die a quick death.
Got it...not only do you not understand what it means, you've turned your belief into some sort of religious cause to fight against evil.

Well in the non-mythical/real word net neutrality is good for all of us to demand and expect from our ISPs.
While you don't understand this now, you will in a world where the ISPs have complete control over your internet access. That is all the content you upload or download, plus the cost of how fast their controlled data gets to you.
 
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Let's just short circuit this whole thing, because wether or not companies can coexist is irrelevant. Heres the real question: Do you have a right to tell someone else what they are allowed to do with their internet equipment, because you want fast internet. Do you have a right to control other people, and their property, because they're able to provide a service that you want?

The majority of municipalities are currently open to others coming into their market. The reality is, they don't want to. Google could come into any market they want but they aren't. Because they can't make it profitable.

What you want already exists. There's no real hard set requirement barring other ISPs from coming in to any area already serviced by another. Instead, they don't because they can't do it in a financially viable way.

Net neutrality or not, this won't change and is wholly unrelated.
 
Just a wild guess, but that might have a little something to do with the tiny geographic size of those countries. And the high-IQ populations don't hurt either.

Just to note, Japan is roughly the size of California, and is composed essentially of a mountain range sticking out of the Pacific Ocean. Running wires there means laying cable across ravines and between islands. There are practically no flat areas convenient for WISP. Bringing broadband to the majority of that country is a non-trivial task.
 
What has the government ever touched or regulated that helped the consumer? We don't need this in place. We need companies competing versus each other which creates better products and service. You don't need that regulated. Otherwise, it will all be the same. You guys are so worried about the "What if.... they charge $5/mo for Netflix". Guess what? Then the competitor won't charge that forcing the other company to not offer it as well. It's called capitalism! REAL Capitalism that isn't the kind you hear the left always talk about as being "bad". Government is a joke. Private companies and the people are what drives it all.

First off, there wouldn't even be an internet with out the US government.

The US government has made a lot of decisions regarding telecommunications over the last 100 years. There have been regulations you could argue have hurt consumers, and also some that have protected users and ended up providing a better service. The Carterfone decision is one worth reading about.

What do you mean by REAL Capitalism? Unchecked capitalism with out regulations could be an absolute disaster, just like if government having full control over all business would be too.

And one more point, I'm pretty sure I remember reading that there is a reasonably large amount of people in America that have access to only one ISP, which means that there isn't any competition for a lot of people. And the kicker is the reason for this is there are laws and regulations stopping ISPs and local governments from setting up competition in these places. Laws and regulations used by the very same people an companies that are lobbying to have Net neutrality rules dropped.

If you ever hear a politician talking about deregulation, be very wary. It's generally not deregulation, but a change in regulation that will benefit their financial supporters.
 
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Question: If Nationalization of someones property makes things cheaper, does that give you the right to steal it through the government? Is theft legitimized if it's efficient?

We, the public, have been paying a tax on every month's phone bill to provide a subsidy to telecoms to build more internet capacity in underserved areas, to the tune of many billions per year, for many years. Since the government has paid for a significant part of the infrastructure, we the public have the right to take it back--or at least receive suitable service for fees paid. Can't you see the need for balance in these relationships?
 
People also seem to forget that these companies got huge government subsidies to lay their cables across the US. In other words, my tax dollars, your tax dollars, etc. To claim that the cable companies own those lines are a joke. We the people own them since we helped pay for them. Tax dollars built these companies up and now they want to tell us to pound rock.
 
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I have been using the Internet since 1996. So that means I used the Internet for roughly 20 years without Obama's "net neutrality". In that time, nothing you guys are warning about actually happened.

Prior to 2015, you could actually share an opinion online without being censored, banned, demonetized, and have your entire website effectively removed from the Internet. Ironically, since 2015 I have seen the absolute worst and most egregious censorship in the history of the Internet.

Put very simply, if Google and Amazon and Facebook are all on the same side of an issue, I know immediately that it is evil and should be fought against tooth and nail.

the internet in 1996 was very different than it is now. newgroups were a cesspit, and social media nonexistant. things change, companies build new products, new posting grounds emerge. I dont want child pron on facebook and gore on twitter so im glad internet controls have changed.
 
What big tech company can stop you from accessing a site they don't want you to? And how do they do that? There are several browsers that you can use to get to any site you want.

How does Google prevent me from typing in a URL Google doesn't like?

The difference is that you have voluntarily go into some tech companies system to allow it to control your browsing. Whereas, the ISP can stop you from even seeing the site now matter how you access the internet.

The point is the tech giants engage in egregious censorship today. This isn't a hypothetical - it is an observable fact. Cry me a river if the ISPs decide to do the same.

If you wanted half the country to give a rat's ass about your precious "free and open" Internet, maybe you shouldn't have dumped buckets of crap on their heads for the past 2 years. Maybe it was unwise to ban, block, throttle and censor everyone you disagreed with. They may have felt invested in the current Internet.

To 50% of the country, the Internet is already a place where data gets treated unequally. They know the Internet is anything but "neutral". It is a domain ruled by radical leftist authoritarians who police thought at every turn, and the censorship is only getting more severe as each day goes by.
 
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The point is the tech giants engage in egregious censorship today. This isn't a hypothetical - it is an observable fact. Cry me a river if the ISPs decide to do the same.

If you wanted half the country to give a rat's ass about your precious "free and open" Internet, maybe you shouldn't have dumped buckets of crap on their heads for the past 2 years. Maybe it was unwise to ban, block, throttle and censor everyone you disagreed with. They may have felt invested in the current Internet.

To 50% of the country, the Internet is already a place where data gets treated unequally. They know the Internet is anything but "neutral". It is a domain ruled by radical leftist authoritarians who police thought at every turn, and it;'s only getting more severe as each day goes by.

That's what the far right wants you to believe.
 
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I'll explain it this way: have a website called "comcastsucks.com"? Well, Comcast has just now blocked your access to that site because it doesn't find it appropriate, rather than treating all traffic as equal. Scary reality considering the climate of our politicians screaming "fake news" at everything and Fox News being a propaganda machine.

Nope. Just checked through a friends ComCast connection. That site (it really is a site) works.

Do you have any more lies and FUD to create? I want real concrete examples and not out of your backside hypotheticals.
 
Nope. Just checked through a friends ComCast connection. That site (it really is a site) works.

Do you have any more lies and FUD to create? I want real concrete examples and not out of your backside hypotheticals.
You missed his point completely. He is not saying that is what is occurring now. He was giving a scenario of what will happen. Zoom, right over the top of your head.
 
Got it...not only do you not understand what it means, you've turned your belief into some sort of religious cause to fight against evil.

The left has such a wonderful mix of being dead wrong and smugly condescending at the same time. It's repugnant.

Learn to present arguments. You might actually convince someone of your point of view one day.

"Don't agree with me? You just don't understand, maaaaaaaaaaan. Drumpf is literally Adolf Hitler, maaaaaaan. If only you had a PhD in Caribbean Gender Neutral Pottery you'd understand, maaaaaaan!"
 
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History will repeat itself. This administration can't/won't learn from past mistakes. Pai forgets about the "light touch" of regulation that ultimately contributed to the dot-com bubble.
 
First, Rockford, population 150,000, is not little. Second, it's 90 miles from Chicago along a heavily traveled tollway. Don't act like it's out in the sticks.

And your point? 150,000 is little. Being 2 hours from Chicago does NOT impact services available in the area (it is not a commuter town to Chicago).

My point is, the posts saying most people have at most 2 options is a blatant lie and just more of the FUD machine around this topic.
 
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