LOL at Apple/AT&T being so goddamned controlling over what users do with their own phones.
So don't buy their phones if they are so goddamn controlling instead of running crying to the government, is it by force to own an iPhone?
LOL at Apple/AT&T being so goddamned controlling over what users do with their own phones.
Very different from Vonage. Vonage is a VOIP provider, GV is not VOIP. GV is most similar to a calling card service, in that you call google, enter the number to call and they connect you. You can do this from your landline, cell phone or initiate through you browser on pc or phone. You are still charged by your carrier for the call itself, just not the long distance...exactly like a calling card.I think the crux of the issue is that it loosens their grip on your contact numbers just that little bit more, and that they probably don't want to give that up.
Google Voice doesn't seem that different from what Vonage, etc. already do. If there is a difference, its that you get a more portable number, and I'm sure the traditional phone companies hate to not have you tied to their infrastructure. IIRC, there was a court case to determine that you should be able to move your 800-number service to another long distance provider and still keep the number. Then there was the FCC decision (might've also been part of a court ruling?) that allowed you to keep your cell number when changing cell companies. I'd guess that this is just another giant telecom fighting to keep whatever grip it holds on you for as long as they can.
Everyday there is garbage at the App Store now. This has got to be stopped. I am starting to move from just being angry to just being anti-iPhone.
From Daring Fireball:
"Two years ago I linked to a web site called Ninjawords a fast, simple online dictionary backed by a good data source (Wiktionary)."
"But Ninjawords for iPhone suffers one humiliating flaw: it omits all the words deemed objectionable by Apples App Store reviewers, despite the fact that Ninjawords carries a 17+ rating.
Apple censored an English dictionary.
A dictionary. A reference book. For words contained in all reasonable dictionaries. For words contained in dictionaries that are used every day in elementary school libraries and classrooms."
"In other words, not only must the dictionary be censored a dictionary but even after being purged of objectionable words it would only be considered with a 17+ rating"
The list of omitted words includes some which have utterly non-objectionable senses: ass, snatch, pu**y, cock, and even screw. (Ass and cock appear throughout the King James Bible.)
Apple censored an English dictionary.
Vera Carp a.k.a Thurston gussied up in a pink satin dress presides over the meeting of the Smut Snatchers of the New Order, the committee that cuts offensive words from the dictionary.
(discussion about the obvious issue with "snatch" in their name)
"Snatch will remain", she says, "because we cant afford new stationery."
Why because apple is rejecting x% of the apps? I have a feeling it is going to change. But lets be realistic here. Apple has ventured into something that is still relatively new to not only them but to everyone. Yes they have done some bonehead moves.....
What they need to do is tell the developer in writing, black and white, why the app was not approved. I also think they need to set down a set of standards that clearly state what the app can and cannot have.
I think the 17+ to be fair was just implemented with 3.0 wasn't it? This is coming from two years ago....
But really, getting upset because of x amount of apps out of how many are not being approved?
Ha! It seems that life is imitating art... or at least the Nazis.Reminds me of a wonderful line from the comedy play "Greater Tuna"
http://florence-arts.com/Burney/index.htm
This is not two years ago. Ninjawords started two years ago. The iPhone app approval has been happening for the last two months. Since you're talking about %'s, what % of those apps getting approved are actually useful and high quality? I don't care about fart apps and tip calculators. One developer was just kicked out of the App Store and he had 900 apps. He was only ranked third for the most apps by a developer.
It's not an excuse to say the App Store is the first going down this road. There are already similar ratings for movies and video games they could learn from. Instead they are creating their own ratings system. The story mentioned above had words that exists in Apple's own Dictionary app on the Mac. It makes no sense. They are even censoring book apps.
In this case they did tell the developer the problem. Does that make it any less absurd?
Who are you to decide what apps are quality or not, if there is a market for an app, it should be offered. That developer has every right to sell his apps just like Google voice. There must have been a market for them since people were buying them. The only reason Apple took them out is for infringment. If somebody wants to buy a fart app, how does that concern you? This app store whining is getting tiresome. 96 percent of apps that are submitted are approved, Apple never said they would allow 100 percent of submitted apps to be included in the store. If an app you want was blocked, deal with it. If Apple's solution was so crap, why haven't any of other companies brang a store that has attracted developer and a user base like the app store.
It would be nice if Apple published better guidelines regarding what will be denied. It is a waste of resources for a business to pay developers to create an app, only to have Apple tell them their users can't buy it. Worse, is when Apple denies it and doesn't give them a reason so that they might go back and 'correct' their egregious 'errors'. Without a reason, the developer either swallows the lose of their time and toss the app, or they guess at their their violations were and try to change the app and resubmit.Who are you to decide what apps are quality or not, if there is a market for an app, it should be offered. That developer has every right to sell his apps just like Google voice. There must have been a market for them since people were buying them. The only reason Apple took them out is for infringment. If somebody wants to buy a fart app, how does that concern you? This app store whining is getting tiresome. 96 percent of apps that are submitted are approved, Apple never said they would allow 100 percent of submitted apps to be included in the store. If an app you want was blocked, deal with it. If Apple's solution was so crap, why haven't any of other companies brang a store that has attracted developer and a user base like the app store.
Why would Apple approve an app for the iPhone that conflicts with or otherwise encroaches upon the service AT&T provides? Apple and AT&T have a relationship, and the user really has no business using an app that enables them to circumvent AT&T's service. It would be odd for Apple to allow one.
If you want a Google Voice app then ask Google to subsidize your phone.
Who am I? I'm the guy that wouldn't use brang. I'm with the post-pubescent majority of iPhone owners that don't buy fart apps. I'm with the majority of people who believes there is a problem. Don't believe me? Go check the positive to negatives for this story or any other website saying there is a problem. Who are you?
It's better to be a "whiner" than bending over to Apple and saying "Thank you sir, may I have another?"
It would be nice if Apple published better guidelines regarding what will be denied. It is a waste of resources for a business to pay developers to create an app, only to have Apple tell them their users can't buy it. Worse, is when Apple denies it and doesn't give them a reason so that they might go back and 'correct' their egregious 'errors'. Without a reason, the developer either swallows the lose of their time and toss the app, or they guess at their their violations were and try to change the app and resubmit.
Everyday there is garbage at the App Store now. This has got to be stopped. I am starting to move from just being angry to just being anti-iPhone.
Pretty much. Many markets are changing and established companies will typically fight tooth and nail to keep their tried and true business models intact for as long as possible.I'd guess that this is just another giant telecom fighting to keep whatever grip it holds on you for as long as they can.
I guess you feel big because you corrected me. So bloody what if somebody buys a fart app, what is it to you? There must be a market for them which is why they are being developed, other platforms also have fart apps, people are buying them, live with it.
You're with the majority of which people? iphone OS owners? All millions of them, so I should use this forum as fact that the majority of iphone owners have a problem? A few blog postings means a majority of iphone believe there is a problem. I know you're not serious when you see the negative votes on this thread as an indication that the majority of iphone owners have a problem with this thread.
I'm with you. I think I've reached some sort of tipping point. Six months ago I wouldn't have imagined every wanting a different phone again, and now I'm not sure that I'd buy another iPhone if I had to buy a new phone tomorrow. If this process isn't improved by the time my contract is up next year, then I'll abandon the platform. The iPhone is an amazing device, but it's becoming clear that the App Store is too poisonous a system to support.
I'll tell you one thing -- all this has reduced my interest in the upcoming Apple tablet to basically zero.
This is not two years ago. Ninjawords started two years ago. The iPhone app approval has been happening for the last two months. Since you're talking about %'s, what % of those apps getting approved are actually useful and high quality? I don't care about fart apps and tip calculators. One developer was just kicked out of the App Store and he had 900 apps. He was only ranked third for the most apps by a developer.
It's not an excuse to say the App Store is the first going down this road. There are already similar ratings for movies and video games they could learn from. Instead they are creating their own ratings system. The story mentioned above had words that exists in Apple's own Dictionary app on the Mac. It makes no sense. They are even censoring book apps.
In this case they did tell the developer the problem. Does that make it any less absurd?
Ha! It seems that life is imitating art... or at least the Nazis.
So don't buy their phones if they are so goddamn controlling instead of running crying to the government, is it by force to own an iPhone?
It's such a good thing I have you. Gee, wow, why didn't I think of that? Oh right, I didthat's why I am not buying an iPhone. And I'm not going running crying anywhere, but I am going to go with Android (just like my husband did) because I like to have some degree of control over what I put on my own phone.
You carry on though. baaa-aaaa-aaaa!
It's such a good thing I have you. Gee, wow, why didn't I think of that? Oh right, I didthat's why I am not buying an iPhone. And I'm not going running crying anywhere, but I am going to go with Android (just like my husband did) because I like to have some degree of control over what I put on my own phone.
You carry on though. baaa-aaaa-aaaa!
It seems that Apple is facing similar problems with the likes of AT&T and Verizon in having to adjust in a new set of circumstances. On the one hand we have an antiquated telephony industry bend on preserving its high profit margins by clinging onto a charging system from the years of analogue. They sell you data in packages but they want to charge you for voice calls, which are also data, on a per minute basis. On the other hand we have a company that for decades has operated within a locked up hardware-software system suddenly venturing into a world which demands openness, flexibility, interoperability and so forth. I would like to know how will Apple and AT&T react if Google, Skype and other voice providers decide to implement an internet based service being accessed directly through your browser. Are they gonna block those sites? Another China syndrome? Where it boils down to is leaving behind the litany of "this is a free market economy" and start thinking rationally beyond the hype companies produce. The mere fact is this: Marriage between a company that is bend on making as much as possible out of you and a phone which is generally speaking very good looking but underperforming, overpriced and locked. The last one believe me is very important especially if you are traveling constantly. Maybe as consumers we should become more independently thinking and set our own principles.
On the one hand we have an antiquated telephony industry bend on preserving its high profit margins by clinging onto a charging system from the years of analogue. They sell you data in packages but they want to charge you for voice calls, which are also data, on a per minute basis.
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