FCP? Shake? Photoshop? What is the best way to enhance video color?

Discussion in 'Digital Video' started by SpaceJello, Apr 6, 2007.

  1. SpaceJello macrumors 6502

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    I am looking for ways to enhance the color of some footage i have beyond just color correction. I want to make it as "vibrant" as possible, but I have found that FCP to be quite sad on this part for some reasons (maybe i am using it wrong). I know Shake can do some color editing, but :

    is there anyway to really edit image colors like you can in photoshop but with video editing plugins or otherwise??
     
  2. CmdrLaForge macrumors 68040

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    Shake should be able to do it also I think it is quite difficult to learn.

    I personally use Adobe After Effects. It can do the job as well easily.
     
  3. SpaceJello thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Curious, when you use adobe after effects, does it take long to render the sequences? i have had a 2 minute sequence rendered on shake but it took like gosh several hours at least, it was only slow motion and steady cam. c2d here as well.
     
  4. faustfire macrumors 6502a

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    Use levels and desaturate in FCP to boost your footage.
     
  5. -DH macrumors 65816

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    Why not tell us how you've been doing and exactly what it is you're trying to do ... perhaps FCP can handle it after all.

    -DH
     
  6. killr_b macrumors 6502a

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    Color correction with Shake is an art. You probably don't want to go through the hassle of learning how to use it correctly.

    Final Cut has powerful tools for picture corrections. You should be able to do it there. Unless you want the look of something specific. But then you will probably need plug-ins for Shake that cost thousands.

    You really should give us an example of what you are going for. ;)
     
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  8. heelie macrumors newbie

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    color correction

    Color correction is an art period. Doesn't matter what one is using. Colorists correcting high profile commercials, music video and movies get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to do what they do.

    Using a DaVinci is top shelp, using FCP is a comprimise at best.
     
  9. SpaceJello thread starter macrumors 6502

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  10. killr_b macrumors 6502a

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    I think the Apple Pro training books (here) are really good. I've read Shake 3, Shake 4, Getting started with Motion, Motion, Editing in FCP, Advanced Finishing in FCP, DVD Studio Pro 2, DVD Studio Pro 3, and Soundtrack Pro.

    If you have some footage of your own and some audio bites, then you can do the books twice and play around with some "real" uses for each application.

    Shake is so, how do I say this, open ended. You can do almost anything with very little once you learn a few tricks. I think you'll be impressed with Shake. Just remember- NEVER use the color correct node. Always use separate nodes that concatenate. And never break concatenation. ;)
     
  11. gregrochon macrumors newbie

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    grading

    using a color grading app like davinci/lustre/scratch is extremely expensive and requires years of practice (do to properly, anyways).


    you should be able to achieve what you want using FCP's color corrections tools, but if you want that extra boost, you can look into buying Magic Bullet for FCP (or after effects if you want to work with secondaries) or a new product called Colorista (also from Red Giant) (although i'm not sure colorista is available on FCP, it is for after effects though).

    There is a new Magic Bullet slated for release at NAB (about a week from now), if you're willing to wait.
     
  12. SpaceJello thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Awesome, thanks for all the advice. I think I will learn shake, i will have a look at Magic bullet as well. Is it just me but I find that FCP plugins and others aren't as powerful sometimes, they tend to degrade the image.
     
  13. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    What type of video are you working with? DV is pretty fragile because of the compression and 4:1:1 color sampling where as footage from a Digibeta captured via SDI into an uncompressed timeline will be able to be manipulated more before it starts to fall apart.


    Lethal
     
  14. FF_productions macrumors 68030

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    I attempted to learn Shake and fell flat on my face. It is such a powerful program, VERY sophisticated.
     
  15. iMeanIt macrumors member

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    Plug-ins

    There are plug-ins for FCP and AE called "Magic Bullet" that should do what you need. It has dozens of pre-sets to give video specific film looks like Bleach Bypass, Vibrant, Warm, etc. The more expensive version for AE will also change the video cadence to make 30fps (29.97fps) video appear as if it was originally shot at 24fps and then telecined to video. Using these two "effects" can produce very realistic film look from video.

    Check out a distributor called Red Giant Software.
     
  16. SpaceJello thread starter macrumors 6502

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    i have both DV and HDV footage, but i did notice that hdv obviously is way better with the plugins. Does anyone know if Magic Bullet will be updating significantly with their new release at nab?
     
  17. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    There is a new Magic Bullet app set to be announced at NAB. Before you drop mega bucks on MB, take a look at the Nattress Filters. Very powerful and very inexpensive. Also, if you already have After Effects you can do some very powerful CCing in that as well. Stu Maschwitz, one of the founders of the VFX house The Orphanage as well as the man behind Magic Bullet and Colorista, loves AE and maintains that if you have the skill and the time you can do just about anything in AE that you can do in a million dollar on-line suite.


    Lethal
     

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