Ferrari FXX Evoluzione: Now even faster.

[iGav]

From what I understand, the reason why Ferrari hasn't used the DSG is due to copyright and patent infringements, along with VAG still being in talks about proprietary use of their transmission. The Bugatti Veyron has it, Porshes are soon to have it, Lamborghini is soon to have it, Ferrari is just hoping and developing their own solution (like most other car companies) yet not being like the original. Like Vista copying Leopard, close but not close enough.

DSG is not a VAG product though, it's BorgWarner's, VAG themselves have merely licensed it from them.

The system used by Ferrari had gradually evolved over the last 20 years, a system that was first designed for use in the Ferrari 639/640 (F189) in 1988/89 and first used on (any) production car with the F355 back in '98.

The shifting time of the system alone has almost halved since the introduction of the Enzo in 2002, from 150ms down to 80ms. I suspect that within the not too distant future, we'll see the F1 teams current seamless technology filter down into the FXX Evoluzione (or what ever model will eventually replace it), which will negate the argument between the two technologies, because as great as DSG is, a single clutch, seamless transmission will be greater, with the exponentially greater advantages of smaller physical dimensions, mechanical simplicity and significantly lower overall weight.

 

[yg17]

From what I understand, the reason why Ferrari hasn't used the DSG is due to copyright and patent infringements, along with VAG still being in talks about proprietary use of their transmission. The Bugatti Veyron has it, Porshes are soon to have it, Lamborghini is soon to have it, Ferrari is just hoping and developing their own solution (like most other car companies) yet not being like the original. Like Vista copying Leopard, close but not close enough.

Well Lambo and Bugatti are both owned by Volkswagen, and Porsche isn't quite owned by them yet (I'm sure it will happen) but they work together a lot., so that's why all of them have it.

 

[walangij]

DSG is not a VAG product though, it's BorgWarner's, VAG themselves have merely licensed it from them.

The system used by Ferrari had gradually evolved over the last 20 years, a system that was first designed for use in the Ferrari 639/640 (F189) in 1988/89 and first used on (any) production car with the F355 back in '98.

The shifting time of the system alone has almost halved since the introduction of the Enzo in 2002, from 150ms down to 80ms. I suspect that within the not too distant future, we'll see the F1 teams current seamless technology filter down into the FXX Evoluzione (or what ever model will eventually replace it), which will negate the argument between the two technologies, because as great as DSG is, a single clutch, seamless transmission will be greater, with the exponentially greater advantages of smaller physical dimensions, mechanical simplicity and significantly lower overall weight.

Great information, then it looks like Ferrari is catching up and will soon surpass the BorgWarner DSG.

Well Lambo and Bugatti are both owned by Volkswagen, and Porsche isn't quite owned by them yet (I'm sure it will happen) but they work together a lot., so that's why all of them have it.

Wasn't there something in the news recently about VAG being controlled by Porsche also? From what I understand Porsche now has the controlling stake in the company but a law in Germany prohibited another company taking over, that was overruled recently though. Anyways, an amazing transmission in consumer cars is great, an equally amazing transmission in consumer race cars, just as great!

 

[iGav]

Great information, then it looks like Ferrari is catching up and will soon surpass the BorgWarner DSG.

Well, Ferrari already have the technology (dual clutch systems are outlawed in F1), it's more a matter of time before it filters down into production models.

Of course they'd be better off with a CVT unit... but somehow, I can't really imagine it in a Ferrari.

Wasn't there something in the news recently about VAG being controlled by Porsche also? From what I understand Porsche now has the controlling stake in the company but a law in Germany prohibited another company taking over, that was overruled recently though.

I read about that a few days ago, although not in much detail.

Has Porsche actually acquired a controlling share yet though? I remember them increasing their shares earlier this year, but Porsche expressed no interesting in taking VW over, merely citing that they were doing it to prevent interest from competitors or something similar.

I suspect that now this law has been rescinded, Porsche's stance may change.

Imagine... Porsche owning VW. Quite amazing really when you think about it.