Hi, I can connect and transfer files from the G4MDD to the macpro 5.1, but not vice versa, can this be overcome?
What operating system is your 5,1 running?Hi, I can connect and transfer files from the G4MDD to the macpro 5.1, but not vice versa, can this be overcome?
mojave and leopardWhat operating system is your 5,1 running?
So, you can see the files on the MDD from the Mac Pro but not vice versa?mojave and leopard
Mojave still supports AFP, I use that all the time to share files between my 5,1 and older PPC macs. However both Tiger and Leopard support SMB as well even on PPC, so there shouldn't actually be a problem. What is the actual error you're getting?Hi, I can connect and transfer files from the G4MDD to the macpro 5.1, but not vice versa, can this be overcome?
I've see this issue before and have had it happen to me. From what I can figure out, assuming the behavior is the same, is that Mojave uses APFS, which Tiger and Leopard don't support. The behavior I have had happen is that I can connect to the machine with the APFS volume, but I can't see it on the machine with the older OS. All three OSes (Tiger, Leopard, Mojave) will default to AFS, so, unless you specify differently, it will attempt to use that.Mojave still supports AFP, I use that all the time to share files between my 5,1 and older PPC macs. However both Tiger and Leopard support SMB as well even on PPC, so there shouldn't actually be a problem. What is the actual error you're getting?
take a 2nd look at the System Preferences / Sharing setup page. there is a setting for sharing via smb or afp. At least on my Mojave. I am thinking SMB is downward comparable with AFP anyways.
I've see this issue before and have had it happen to me. From what I can figure out, assuming the behavior is the same, is that Mojave uses APFS, which Tiger and Leopard don't support. The behavior I have had happen is that I can connect to the machine with the APFS volume, but I can't see it on the machine with the older OS. All three OSes (Tiger, Leopard, Mojave) will default to AFS, so, unless you specify differently, it will attempt to use that.
Oh man, if that were only the case! Would have solved a whole bunch of issues between Windows 2003 Small Business Server and two Macs running Tiger in 2006 or so!I am thinking SMB is downward comparable with AFP anyways.
Yes, but it defaults to AFP. You can set up SMB and disable AFP.ok smb is not dwn compatible to afp
but seems Mojave sharing can set to use either protocol. can leopard do this too?
No machine capable of running Leopard can run Mojave natively. That is a moot point however, given that the OP stated they are dealing with an MDD, which runs on the PowerPC G4 processor. These processors haven't gotten an OS update from Apple since 10.5.8, so Leopard is the latest it can run.the OP could just update from leopard to Mojave?
Just so you're aware, you are replying to this thread in the PowerPC forums. You may be using the 'new posts' feature from the front page. As stated, you can't update a PowerPC Mac past Leopard.the OP could just update from leopard to Mojave?
Good thing you did this intentionally. I was hit with this right when APFS was released, and I would commonly drag files from my DA running Tiger to the MBP I was using. It really messed with my workflow and was one of the things that contributed to my decision to downgrade to a 2009 MacBook running 10.11 so I would always be able to transfer files between the two (the other major thing being the fact that the optical drive in my Power Mac had died right before and the MBP had no optical drive, so I bought the MacBook to serve as a computer with an optical drive as well).I now have this problem.
Only, I did it deliberately. When I updated my 2008 MBP I went from El Cap to Mojave and using DosDude's Mojave patcher I was not asked (at that time) if I wanted to update to APFS. So, I went and converted today.
Of course, I totally forgot there was also a patch for THAT so when I rebooted it went into recovery mode because the drive isn't even seen. I dug out my USB stick that still has the Mojave patcher on it though and went through the post install features to install the APFS patch.
And now…my Quad cannot even connect to my MBP - even trying SMB. I knew, based on this thread, that would happen. But I mainly transfer stuff from my MBP to my Quad and I can still connect that way so no big deal in my situation.
I only did this because the drive in my MBP is an SSD. I'm leaving my Mac Mini on HFS+ as it still has a traditional HD.
Yeah, I had thought of converting the day I upgraded to Mojave but didn't want to get involved at the time as it was a day long process for two Macs (including getting apps and settings all worked out) already.Good thing you did this intentionally. I was hit with this right when APFS was released, and I would commonly drag files from my DA running Tiger to the MBP I was using. It really messed with my workflow and was one of the things that contributed to my decision to downgrade to a 2009 MacBook running 10.11 so I would always be able to transfer files between the two (the other major thing being the fact that the optical drive in my Power Mac had died right before and the MBP had no optical drive, so I bought the MacBook to serve as a computer with an optical drive as well).
Yeah, I really wish it had said that it would be converting to APFS because I need the ability to access any computer from any computer for my setup to work. That's also why my G4 Mini hasn't been set up for a while. it didn't come with wireless and I was tired of dealing with a USB dongle. I have a new setup I'll employ with that involving an AirPort Express soon though.Yeah, I had thought of converting the day I upgraded to Mojave but didn't want to get involved at the time as it was a day long process for two Macs (including getting apps and settings all worked out) already.
It was only seeing this thread that had me investigate this. Since APFS seems to be geared towards SSDs and this MBP has one I went ahead. But the Mini? No. Going to leave it alone. I connect to it via other Macs and currently it's my link to Dropbox for my Quad so doing that would kill that link. And again, traditional HD on the Mini so not worth it anyway.
I can work around the limitation on the MBP. I can totally see how this screwed you over though. Had you known about it from the start things would have been different.
Specifically what is the issue using APFS? A client which is able to connect to a file server should be indifferent to the file system of the server. That doesn't appear to be the case here.AFPS is the culprit and is a common issue faced by a number of folks that did convert to APFS under High Sierra, Mojave and Catalina where they lost server compatibility with older Macs. The interim solution is to dedicate an old Mac, like a Mini and run El-Capitan with HFS+ to act as a Mac file server like mine does. Then it becomes compatible on all Macs including my PowerMac G5, PowerBook G4 and older PowerBook G3 on OS 9 all are able to see the Mini server as well as my Mac Pro 5,1 and MB Air with Mojave exchange files.
Specifically what is the issue using APFS? A client which is able to connect to a file server should be indifferent to the file system of the server. That doesn't appear to be the case here.
HFS / HFS+ / APFS are file systems and should be irrelevant to client systems which connect to a server across the network. A client shouldn't need to know nor care about the details of the server for which it is connecting. All that should matter is the protocol used to connect to the file share. The server software is responsible for the details of accessing files, not the client. Any file server software which requires the client to understand the details of the servers file system is broken.The old Apple Filing Protocol that is used for network sharing is not compatible with APFS. Apple did warn people about that, which is why some people like myself use an old Mac as a file server serving HFS+ Macs and APFS formatted Macs.