I asked the same question around here and somebody said that yes you could, but you won't be able to run the "core animations" or other gpu intensive effects. Is that true? (one of the reasons why I instead decided to get a MBP soon)
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Final Cut Pro 6 To Debut At NAB? Final Cut Extreme Too?
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Do You Think June 20 Is SOON?
This Spring is all about waiting for the whole shebang to hit and letting the dust clear before leaping into your next Mac. All current models will be different - a LOT different by Summer - June 20. To me that is REAL SOON. How is that date for you superspiffy? Can you keep your pants on that much longer?
OK Your operative word is "SOON". Word. If you wait for the next MacBook with the much more sophisticated and advanced integrated graphics, it may very well run Leopard's core annimation. We don't know for sure yet. But we know the next MacBooks graphics will be substantially better than what it is now. So if you can hold your wad for a little longer than "SOON" and make that "AS SOON AS THE NEXT MACBOOK SHIPS WITH LEOPARD" then you may very well be able to run all that stuff on a MacBook. But the current FCS 5.1UB is not core animation dependent at all. So it doesn't matter does it - not a question. As I said in my previous post, only the MOST ADVANCED Motion animation would not be possible. Are you MOST ADVANCED? Not likely as about 99% of us are NOT.
This Spring is all about waiting for the whole shebang to hit and letting the dust clear before leaping into your next Mac. All current models will be different - a LOT different by Summer - June 20. To me that is REAL SOON. How is that date for you superspiffy? Can you keep your pants on that much longer?
This Spring is all about waiting for the whole shebang to hit and letting the dust clear before leaping into your next Mac. All current models will be different - a LOT different by Summer - June 20. To me that is REAL SOON. How is that date for you superspiffy? Can you keep your pants on that much longer?
lol well put. I've been lurking "should-i-buy-a-mac-now?-threads" for awhile and the consensus seems to be, if you need it, then buy it. Well I do need it because I have some movie projects I want to get completed and working at home is much better than having to go to the computer labs at 2am and hoping that the two macpros there are free. At the same time, I think I don't really need it right now because it ain't like editing movies is my bread and butter. It's really just a passionate hobby of mine, although I plan on eventually going there for my career.
Like everybody else in this forum, I can't wait till the new updates arrive. I check this forum everyday and pour so much time on it that I really think I'm sick. The sad part is I don't even need Santa Rosa, Leopard, or a refreshed line for the work I'm gonna be doing, but I can't help wanting it anyway. I figure when I buy a Mac, I'll be keeping it for a good while so I'd want to hop on the bandwagon at the beginning of the new product cycle, which is the most ideal time.
Anyway I don't know if I can wait till June (every man has his breaking point) but I know I should.
Dude, I've been waiting since WWDC06. I'm sure another few months won't kill anyone.
I'm gonna buy:
new macbook with leopard
new ipod (are there gonna be new ones?)
new final cut express
wuhuu!
new macbook with leopard
new ipod (are there gonna be new ones?)
new final cut express
wuhuu!
I just got that big brown padded envelope today so I've officially jumped the FCP bandwagon! Thanks Multimedia!
OK Your operative word is "SOON". Word. If you wait for the next MacBook with the much more sophisticated and advanced integrated graphics, it may very well run Leopard's core annimation. We don't know for sure yet. But we know the next MacBooks graphics will be substantially better than what it is now. So if you can hold your wad for a little longer than "SOON" and make that "AS SOON AS THE NEXT MACBOOK SHIPS WITH LEOPARD" then you may very well be able to run all that stuff on a MacBook. But the current FCS 5.1UB is not core animation dependent at all. So it doesn't matter does it - not a question. As I said in my previous post, only the MOST ADVANCED Motion animation would not be possible. Are you MOST ADVANCED? Not likely as about 99% of us are NOT.
This Spring is all about waiting for the whole shebang to hit and letting the dust clear before leaping into your next Mac. All current models will be different - a LOT different by Summer - June 20. To me that is REAL SOON. How is that date for you superspiffy? Can you keep your pants on that much longer?
What we "think" we know is that both MB & MBP will be using the same Santa Rosa chipsets, except that the MBP will have a dedicated GPU, the MB almost certainly Intel's integrated upgraded GPU. What we don't know is just how 'significant' that improvement in performance will translate into as far as what can run with Leopard, and compenents of the Final Cut Suite...right now only Apple knows, everyone else is speculating. Until the product ships and people can run them on next rev. MBP's & MB's (which we again are specualting as to actual release dates, for all we know the next MB might not be released until late summer), you won't know for sure what runs 'just barely' and what runs everything very smoothly, with multiple apps open at the same time, how many processes can be running in the FCS at the same time, etc.
The upgraded GPU in the next rev. of the MBP, might just be a minor improvement over the current x1600, and then everyone will have all those 'argggh' threads going again about how Apple should have made an option (bet the family farm there will be only one GPU available on either the MBP or MB, as in the past) for a higher performing GPU in the MBP, so that certain things you can do on the desktop machines would also be able to run at least on a MBP...I can see the groaning already
IIRC, FCP4 was announced/shown in beta form at NAB (and FCP prod.mang. Paul Saccone showed the beta version at the LAFCPUG later in the month on April 23rd at a special LAFCPUG meeting), but the shipping version wasn't out until late May??? Same could happen this year.
http://www.lafcpug.org/nab_2007.html
Announcement of either beta or shipping FC Studio is a given, anything else would just be 'extras'. Leopard will have no bearing on what happens to be annouced at NAB, as all of Apple's and Adobe prods will run on Tiger (now that the CS3 'bug' under Tiger has been addressed). FCP could be shown running on a beta Leopard as a teaser of things upcoming, but an annoucement date for release of Leopard is unlikely (unless it has already been annouced by then ).
http://www.lafcpug.org/nab_2007.html
Announcement of either beta or shipping FC Studio is a given, anything else would just be 'extras'. Leopard will have no bearing on what happens to be annouced at NAB, as all of Apple's and Adobe prods will run on Tiger (now that the CS3 'bug' under Tiger has been addressed). FCP could be shown running on a beta Leopard as a teaser of things upcoming, but an annoucement date for release of Leopard is unlikely (unless it has already been annouced by then
).FCS 6 System Requirements
Can anyone guess what the system requirements will be on FCS 6?
Can anyone guess what the system requirements will be on FCS 6?
OK Your operative word is "SOON". Word. If you wait for the next MacBook with the much more sophisticated and advanced integrated graphics, it may very well run Leopard's core annimation. We don't know for sure yet. But we know the next MacBooks graphics will be substantially better than what it is now. So if you can hold your wad for a little longer than "SOON" and make that "AS SOON AS THE NEXT MACBOOK SHIPS WITH LEOPARD" then you may very well be able to run all that stuff on a MacBook. But the current FCS 5.1UB is not core animation dependent at all. So it doesn't matter does it - not a question. As I said in my previous post, only the MOST ADVANCED Motion animation would not be possible. Are you MOST ADVANCED? Not likely as about 99% of us are NOT.
This Spring is all about waiting for the whole shebang to hit and letting the dust clear before leaping into your next Mac. All current models will be different - a LOT different by Summer - June 20. To me that is REAL SOON. How is that date for you superspiffy? Can you keep your pants on that much longer?
now the question remains, when does a new macbook arrive? it's time, isn't it?
Guessing Is Our Middle Name
I believe a lot of what we do here is guess isn't it?
June 11 SteveNote. Santa Rosa won't be shipping in large enough quantity until then.
Logic 7.2 Crossgrade not available, cannot use logic anymore =( Advice?
Well, I finally bit the bullet and sold my old G4 Dual 1.0 ghz and picked up a Mac Pro 8-Core last week. I was totally excited about getting my new machine until I realized that the Logic 7.2 Crossgrade is no longer available in Japan. I went to the Shibuya Apple store yesterday and inquired about it, however the Apple Rep there only said that it is no longer available, and that the only way that I could use Logic on my new Mac is to buy the full retail Logic 7.2 version for 100,000yen (uhh, no way)
I find this to be quite an unsettling situation to be in. Is 7.3 coming out soon, or whatever the next version of Logic is? I don't really need any new features, I just want to get my studio up and running again.
I really don't think Apple should have discontinued the 7.2 Crossgrade until they have something else to offer their current Logic 7 userbase first...
Any advice would be deeply appreciated
Cheers,
PortableFishy
Well, I finally bit the bullet and sold my old G4 Dual 1.0 ghz and picked up a Mac Pro 8-Core last week. I was totally excited about getting my new machine until I realized that the Logic 7.2 Crossgrade is no longer available in Japan. I went to the Shibuya Apple store yesterday and inquired about it, however the Apple Rep there only said that it is no longer available, and that the only way that I could use Logic on my new Mac is to buy the full retail Logic 7.2 version for 100,000yen (uhh, no way)
I find this to be quite an unsettling situation to be in. Is 7.3 coming out soon, or whatever the next version of Logic is? I don't really need any new features, I just want to get my studio up and running again.
I really don't think Apple should have discontinued the 7.2 Crossgrade until they have something else to offer their current Logic 7 userbase first...
Any advice would be deeply appreciated
Cheers,
PortableFishy
Apple stopped the crossgrade to the final cut studio recently also. So that is consistent with how they do things. I would have hated it too if I could not do an upgrade. I jumped on the Intel FCS when they announced it so I would not miss out. At the time I did not have an Intel machine but the deal was too good to wait on.
You might also try CDW, or some of the other large distributors. They may have a small amount of Logic inventory left. It will not work for any of the UB crossgrades. That was entirely an Apple sourced program.
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Hi-Def at NAB
I wouldn't be surprised to see iTunes updated to include a plethora of Hi-Definition video, as well as the new non-DRM music. At a broadcasters conference, and with the recent release of a very HD Apple TV; I could see a content announcement being very likely at NAB. What do you guys think?
I wouldn't be surprised to see iTunes updated to include a plethora of Hi-Definition video, as well as the new non-DRM music. At a broadcasters conference, and with the recent release of a very HD Apple TV; I could see a content announcement being very likely at NAB. What do you guys think?
waiting...
Hello everyone, I am extremely new to the forums as you can see from the date I signed up and i'm also new to the world of mac. Heres my dilema, I am going into my first year of college for film production and i'm looking at purchasing a laptop, a macbook pro (since the college im going to uses macs), i thought this would be an excellent mac to start with and also it would be great so i dont have to stay till the wee hours of the morning in a editing suite. I knew that mac book pro's could run final cut studio 5.1 but suddenly final cut studio 2 is released and suddenly reading the specs and requirements it seems like the macbook pro's will not be able to run final cut studio 6 or other programs well. I was just curious about what you guyz think I should do, or if you think that @ this years WWDC they will launch a new line of macbook pros that will be optimized for the new final cut studio 2. I was looking @ purchasing the macbook pro 2.16ghz (aka the low end b/c of cost) hopefully if their is a new macbook pro the low end will be able to support final cut studio 2 and have the cost the same. Any suggestions or tips or thoughts would be appreciated since I really need help in this big purchase decision.
Hello everyone, I am extremely new to the forums as you can see from the date I signed up and i'm also new to the world of mac. Heres my dilema, I am going into my first year of college for film production and i'm looking at purchasing a laptop, a macbook pro (since the college im going to uses macs), i thought this would be an excellent mac to start with and also it would be great so i dont have to stay till the wee hours of the morning in a editing suite. I knew that mac book pro's could run final cut studio 5.1 but suddenly final cut studio 2 is released and suddenly reading the specs and requirements it seems like the macbook pro's will not be able to run final cut studio 6 or other programs well. I was just curious about what you guyz think I should do, or if you think that @ this years WWDC they will launch a new line of macbook pros that will be optimized for the new final cut studio 2. I was looking @ purchasing the macbook pro 2.16ghz (aka the low end b/c of cost) hopefully if their is a new macbook pro the low end will be able to support final cut studio 2 and have the cost the same. Any suggestions or tips or thoughts would be appreciated since I really need help in this big purchase decision.
Buy 17" MBP Santa Rosa When It Ships And Put In Two 2GB sticks.
Buy the 17" Santa Rosa MBP with 4GB of RAM and it will all run great. I don't know what system requirements you are reading, but there is no doubt it will all run great. Use the educational discount to ge the top of line 17" Santa Rosa after it ships this summer. Don't buy the current models.
All MBPs meet and mostly exceed all those minimums easily. What do you mean they won't run?Minimum Requirements to Install All Final Cut Studio 2 Applications said:
Ok. first of all again, new to the mac world so "An AGP or PCI Express Quartz Extreme graphics card (Final Cut Studio is not compatible with integrated Intel graphics processors)" Cuz the MBP have the ATI Radeon 1600X and i know they have the intel core 2 duo so i guess i interpretted it wrong. Secondly how much am I looking @ spending on the 17" Santa Rosa MBP with 4GB of RAM. Thats gunna be a lot of damn money, lol, which as an employee of Zellers (Canadian Version of K-Mart) entering into first year of college.
If Money Is A Factor Buy 17" With Only 2GB of RAM Stock or Cheap 15"
But wait for Santa Rosa so what you buy will be the best you could get right before classes begin. This Fall they'll go refurb.
I was thinking that if you amertize the new Mac Book Pro over 4 years of school it only comes out to less than $1k a year or less than $100 a month. Mac prices don't change much. So the 17" academic price is about $2600 vs $1800 for the cheapest 15" model. You could go with the 15" but add a Dell 24" for $550 from their outlet store for your base location so you have some serious screen real estate to work with there. So $2350 plus tax 15" or $3150 plus tax 17" - both with a Dell 24" external.
But wait for Santa Rosa so what you buy will be the best you could get right before classes begin. This Fall they'll go refurb.
rumors pretty dang accurate.
april 14 rumor correct. indeed fcp6 as named.
ThinkSecret believes that Final Cut Pro 6 will finally make its debut at NAB, which takes place April 14-19. The software was originally expected at last year's NAB which instead saw the release of the 17" MacBook Pro.
yeah 5.1. too bad its not in fcp6 but part of stp2 which is fine but the roundtripping is a bitch! maybe right on core animation, mixed timelines is the shizzle. what sort of low level system resource this app take to run mp?
also accurate. fce is actually fcserver, apple definitly going after avids market for sure. f*** unity. fce adds shake integration, optical flow and smoothcam, yeah its smooth, kick ass awesome-ness. the hardware solution is io-hd with aja for $3.4K instead of $10K. so all rumors were accurate, just naming and product matrix is wrong, otherwise 100% on target.
That "fce is actually fcserver" interpretation is just factually incorrect. The rumored Final Cut Extreme was a hardware and software solution. Final Cut Server is software. Sure, it runs on hardware but the FC Extreme rumor was about a turnkey hardware + software solution similar to what Avid sells.
You're right that FC Server is up against Unity. However, "fce" doesn't add shake integration, optical flow and smoothcam. That stuff is in Final Cut Pro 6. You said Final Cut Extreme was the same thing as Final Cut Server.