Probably asked ad nauseam - but how many of you would love / use Final Cut Pro on the iPad Pro?
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No thanks here too. For those that want to make a quick video there is already iMovie and a plethora of similar apps. None of them are usable to me so I certainly don't need iMovie's Big Brother moving to iOS. I need a real computer, real keyboard, read trackpad, real hard drive, for video editing. Let's let Apple's FCPX team focus on improving it on the Mac and not get sidetracked with another gimmick app.
No, people keep saying they need this for the iPad top become a pro device. But if they got it they would probably realise that they don’t like it. There is no mouse/trackpad support right now which means the experience would either be awful or good but limited. Even if there was cursor support, it would compromise on touch input. Although personally I am fine with that with some apps if Apple add cursor support.
Get LumaFusion it is insanely advanced and covers almost everything I did with FCP X
It could be made to work with the Apple Pencil.
What's a real hardrive ?
Support for external memories is still missing. That's the last thing that needs to happen before final cut Pro for iPad. Mouse support could also help in certain situations, but that's not a showstopper, unless you have your iPad attached to a smart keyboard
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I wouldn't call it insanely advanced...
there's not even video stabilization, which iMovie for the Mac had for ages. It's a good, promising start
This question is a non-starter among the "No way is iPad a Mac replacement" crowd.
The only way to win people over (if they can be won over) is to deliver a product that overcomes their objections. One that not only matches the performance of the "real thing," but exceeds it. In short, it would have to deliver a substantial improvement in productivity, all the necessary capabilities (and more), and a very quick learning curve.
The biggest mistake might be to call it "Final Cut." "Initial Cut Pro" would be optimized for field production. It wouldn't have to have the full FCPX feature set - it would be used for news gathering, tests/rough cuts/dailies for location shoots, podcasting/YouTubers... It would have to substantially beat iMovie, not match FCPX. Yeah, it could AirPlay to another display, but it's not enough to replace multi-display editing suites. The weight and size of an iPad trumps a MBP - it would change the working style - something easily held in a director's chair or while lounging on an RV's sofa, or passed around at a dinner table. It might really shine if a viable collaboration mode could be developed - multiple users with hands on at the same time... scary, perhaps, but potentially powerful in the right hands. A set with multiple iPads seems more practical than a set with multiple MBPs. Big projects with huge footage libraries are going to be brought back to the editing suite anyway. The advantage is that the work done in the field will migrate easily to the "big iron" when required (yeah, iMovie projects can do that, but...). Back in the studio... if the touchscreen interface wins fans I can imagine directors and editors controlling the big iron from the comfort of the editing suite sofa - an adjunct control surface, rather than a full replacement, enabled by collaboration mode.
But no, I'm sure none of today's working pros would embrace it, just as "real" typesetters were slow to embrace DTP (anyone remember that acronym?). It'll take off in film schools and in fringe production, it'll be forced on news gathering teams... And before long, some Sundance Festival phenom will have turned out to be Edited on my iPad.
The only way to win people over (if they can be won over) is to deliver a product that overcomes their objections. One that not only matches the performance of the "real thing," but exceeds it. In short, it would have to deliver a substantial improvement in productivity, all the necessary capabilities (and more), and a very quick learning curve.
The biggest mistake might be to call it "Final Cut." "Initial Cut Pro" would be optimized for field production. It wouldn't have to have the full FCPX feature set - it would be used for news gathering, tests/rough cuts/dailies for location shoots, podcasting/YouTubers... It would have to substantially beat iMovie, not match FCPX. Yeah, it could AirPlay to another display, but it's not enough to replace multi-display editing suites. The weight and size of an iPad trumps a MBP - it would change the working style - something easily held in a director's chair or while lounging on an RV's sofa, or passed around at a dinner table. It might really shine if a viable collaboration mode could be developed - multiple users with hands on at the same time... scary, perhaps, but potentially powerful in the right hands. A set with multiple iPads seems more practical than a set with multiple MBPs. Big projects with huge footage libraries are going to be brought back to the editing suite anyway. The advantage is that the work done in the field will migrate easily to the "big iron" when required (yeah, iMovie projects can do that, but...). Back in the studio... if the touchscreen interface wins fans I can imagine directors and editors controlling the big iron from the comfort of the editing suite sofa - an adjunct control surface, rather than a full replacement, enabled by collaboration mode.
But no, I'm sure none of today's working pros would embrace it, just as "real" typesetters were slow to embrace DTP (anyone remember that acronym?). It'll take off in film schools and in fringe production, it'll be forced on news gathering teams... And before long, some Sundance Festival phenom will have turned out to be Edited on my iPad.
Have a listen to this interview I did with the co-founder of LumaTouch:
https://ipadpros.net/2017/07/27/episode-3-lumafusion-interview-video-editor/
She gets into what makes LumaFusion more advanced than anything else on iOS and what’s coming in the future. Something really cool is that with ARKit they will be able to tap into the depth perception used with that to make ChromaKey work better on an iPad than what macOS could do.
It is a newer app, so no it doesn’t include everything FCP X does, but for 90 percent of what you’d use FCP X for this will do and for me it’s more like 99% - the only thing that is missing for me is multi-cam support and that is something that she’s mentioned they are looking into for the future.
Edit: They are also working on adding FCP X OPML support so you could start on the iPad and FCP could ingest that and you could do your finalizations on the Mac.
https://ipadpros.net/2017/07/27/episode-3-lumafusion-interview-video-editor/
She gets into what makes LumaFusion more advanced than anything else on iOS and what’s coming in the future. Something really cool is that with ARKit they will be able to tap into the depth perception used with that to make ChromaKey work better on an iPad than what macOS could do.
It is a newer app, so no it doesn’t include everything FCP X does, but for 90 percent of what you’d use FCP X for this will do and for me it’s more like 99% - the only thing that is missing for me is multi-cam support and that is something that she’s mentioned they are looking into for the future.
Edit: They are also working on adding FCP X OPML support so you could start on the iPad and FCP could ingest that and you could do your finalizations on the Mac.
Love Luma---add Luma FX--then you are good to go for most editing
I understand why you would feel that way, but Apple will bring their Pro apps to the iPad Pro. They didn’t make that line up for no reason. It’s a matter of time, not a question of if they will.
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That’s a good question. iPads storage is very fast. I’m not sure on the hate there.
[doublepost=1516499926][/doublepost]Honestly, I have an iPad PRO 2017 because I firmly believe developers will make more powerful software for it. There are tons of photo editing options out there, and LumaFusion is something I plan on buying next pay check so I can have a better video editor.
Once Apple brings their Pro software over, others will follow. They need either add USB-C ports on the iPad or create a wireless solution of some kind. That’s probably their biggest hurdle they are trying to solve.
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Absolutely, I would love to get FCP on iPad Pro.
First things first though, Apple needs to really make iOS 12 a bit more of a hybrid OS. Then we need...
1.) Actual iPhone X style redesign for iPad Pro, so we get 99% Screen for more room to edit and see content being created.
2.) 8GB or more of RAM.
3.) Killer GPU and CPU (A11X Bionic or if they wait until next year, an A12X Ion)
4.) Mouse support for those who need it would be great. I don’t know why they don’t already have that just in general. :?
Kallum.
Personally I just think the iPad needs it's own mouse, or mouse support, not system wide, just for a selection of Apps, iOS 'Classic' Mode or whatever they want to brand it. The latest Pro's bench 10,000, screen is 12.9 and high res, so the hardware can do it. Only thing I'd add hardware wise is 4GB RAM moves to 8GB, hardly innovation!
I would think something between FCP and iMovie would be good for the iPad (they used to make Final Cut Express which was more than enough for smaller scale video projects).
They would have to redesign the interface for touch instead of a direct port.
I’ll have to check out Luma.
Totally agree. The only way to please those folks would be to make a macOS Tablet - and they probably still wouldn’t buy it.
They would have to redesign the interface for touch instead of a direct port.
I’ll have to check out Luma.
Totally agree. The only way to please those folks would be to make a macOS Tablet - and they probably still wouldn’t buy it.
Maybe but that is a long, long time from now before that becomes a true pro standard way to edit. As the past owner of a Pro 9.7 and current owner of 12.9 I can firmly say the "Pro" has a ways to go before it can compete with even an regular iMac. Even typing long reports is a chore. I find the iPad shines best for simple tasks. For assembling short clips in a linear way with limited editing, sure the iPad is do-able. But anything more complex and, no, no, no thank you. That isn't comfortable or efficient. If you edit video either as a hobby or professionally then you already understand that. Apple can slap whatever name it wants on its tablet. Doesn't make that reality any less true.
I recently got LumaFusion on my iPad Air 2. It runs great. It was just updated to include Chromakey, video cropping. I have been having fun with those features.
Checkout what their video:
We need the iPad to really have it’s own dedicated OS, (one that is close to a hybrid of Mac OS and iOS)... just not stupid Windows 8 or 10, (gross.) Instead, have an OS that has portability apps and features like iPhone, but is more similar Mac OS, *for real file management, and to be able to truly download, edit, transfer, and save files from thumb/flash/external drives. But even more important... the ability to have better compatibility for programs, so we can use full actual programs like Adobe and Microsoft office.
Kallum.
Kallum.
Ugh. For me, that would absolutely ruin the iPad.
- If you try to build a “hybrid OS” you’ll just wind up with the worst of both iOS and macOS and it won’t do either very well. Look at Windows 10 - they’ve given up on trying to have the same UI for different levels of devices. Windows 10 UI on a tablet is NO DIFFERENT than the UI on a laptop or Desktop. They tried to make a hybrid a nobody was happy, so they made it a desktop OS.
- If you want to be able to run desktop apps like Final Cut and other “full” applications, you will need a MUCH more powerful device than the iPad. That means pumping up the hardware specs of the iPad (8 GB RAM minimal, and a bigger processor). This means pumping up the price of the iPad.
- Now we’d have to look at a 3rd UI (not counting the watch, Apple TV, and CarPlay) - the phone, the tablet, and the laptop/desktop. I really don’t think the iPad needs it’s own UI/OS.
Instead I would say:
- Developers should create better applications for iOS. It’s totally possible - I think companies like Microsoft and Adobe (and even Apple) are holding back what iOS and the iPad are capable of RIGHT NOW (without any changes) to give more support to their desktop counterparts. Either that, or they’re taking a VERY hard look at their audience and saying “Well, there’s no need for me to invest in this because my audience just doesn’t want it - even though there are a few here and there, the vast majority wouldn’t use it that way”.
- IF there is a big enough audience, Apple’s resources would be better spent developing the next generation of macOS and, along with it, a touch-friendly UI so they can build a MacBook/iMac with a touchscreen or a macOS tablet. I’m just not sure there’s an audience for it.
Instead of trying to turn the iPad into some Frankenstein hybrid, use the proper tool for the proper job. The iPad doesn’t need a Hybrid OS, it needs developers to build touch-friendly versions of their powerful applications that will run in iOS, OR build a workflow that really support a partnership between a mobile device and a laptop/desktop.
